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The Boy Who Lived/The Chosen One
Stephen King had a lot of respect for the harry potter series... So speed equalized, and both 9-B.
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Harry Potter VS Roland Deschain
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The Boy Who Lived/The Chosen One
Stephen King had a lot of respect for the harry potter series... So speed equalized, and both 9-B.
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Was gonna say Roland could shoot Harry dead before the latter could so much as say 'Protego', but then I saw that speed was equalized. Hm..
Without the speed advantage, Roland would have to rely on his wit and expertise in battle, and while on paper that doesn't sound very impressive, it isn't something that should be slept on. He has literal centuries of combat experience, having fought and triumphed over plenty of beings (including magic users) who had the advantage over him in terms of abilities.
Harry's magic puts Roland in 'underdog' status right out of the gate. That much is without question. However, what a lot of people tend to forget is that the majority of the more offense-oriented spells in the Potterverse can be dodged, even by normal humans. There is no guarantee that Roland would dodge everything Harry threw at him (because again, speed is equalized), but this fact is still something to take into account here.
Let us also not forget that Roland held his own against this guy, who was outright faster than him in just about every respect and had far more ridiculous magic than Harry on top of that. His experience in dealing with a magician on this level would most certainly come in handy here, especially since he's not at a disadvantage in speed this time around.
Ultimately, it comes down to a battle of 'better abilities' (Harry) vs 'tactics and experience' (Roland), and while I'm inclined to stick with Roland for the reasons I outlined above, I'm going to stay undecided until more people provide their insight. As it stands, it's a little too close for me to call for right now.
EDIT: Another very important detail here. Harry's powers are useless without his wand, so if Roland can figure out that weakness and disarm Harry, that's the end of the fight right there.
Without the speed advantage, Roland would have to rely on his wit and expertise in battle, and while on paper that doesn't sound very impressive, it isn't something that should be slept on. He has literal centuries of combat experience, having fought and triumphed over plenty of beings (including magic users) who had the advantage over him in terms of abilities.
Harry's magic puts Roland in 'underdog' status right out of the gate. That much is without question. However, what a lot of people tend to forget is that the majority of the more offense-oriented spells in the Potterverse can be dodged, even by normal humans. There is no guarantee that Roland would dodge everything Harry threw at him (because again, speed is equalized), but this fact is still something to take into account here.
Let us also not forget that Roland held his own against this guy, who was outright faster than him in just about every respect and had far more ridiculous magic than Harry on top of that. His experience in dealing with a magician on this level would most certainly come in handy here, especially since he's not at a disadvantage in speed this time around.
Ultimately, it comes down to a battle of 'better abilities' (Harry) vs 'tactics and experience' (Roland), and while I'm inclined to stick with Roland for the reasons I outlined above, I'm going to stay undecided until more people provide their insight. As it stands, it's a little too close for me to call for right now.
EDIT: Another very important detail here. Harry's powers are useless without his wand, so if Roland can figure out that weakness and disarm Harry, that's the end of the fight right there.
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Figure I'll bump this, since why not?
Also, I forgot to add this back when I first commented, but the majority of Harry's spells would come across as ridiculously telegraphed compared to Roland's shooting, since he outright says the incantation for most of them, and a good handful require certain wand motions as well. Even with speed equalized, he would most likely lose to Roland if it came down to a quickdraw.
Also, I forgot to add this back when I first commented, but the majority of Harry's spells would come across as ridiculously telegraphed compared to Roland's shooting, since he outright says the incantation for most of them, and a good handful require certain wand motions as well. Even with speed equalized, he would most likely lose to Roland if it came down to a quickdraw.
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Harry's a glass cannon, though. His durability is human level (Protego doesn't work on nonmagical attacks IIRC) and he's most likely not going to be dodging bullets, which move faster than he can react even at his absolute best.
I see it as a sort of cointoss, tbh. Either Roland pulls the trigger on Harry first and blows his brains out, or Harry hits him with an incapacitating (yes, incapacitating, not killing) spell and then follows up from there.
I see it as a sort of cointoss, tbh. Either Roland pulls the trigger on Harry first and blows his brains out, or Harry hits him with an incapacitating (yes, incapacitating, not killing) spell and then follows up from there.
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I don't remember Protego ever being used against anyone wielding a gun. When was this shown?
And if it can, he'll still have to cast the spell before Roland fires on him, basically making it about as useful as any other spell he has.
And if it can, he'll still have to cast the spell before Roland fires on him, basically making it about as useful as any other spell he has.
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Except that most of them don't have that kind of speed, since a number of them can be (and have been) dodged by typical humans. And even if Protego itself is that fast, Harry isn't. If Roland manages to pull the trigger before Harry casts the spell, the bullet will hit him before he can even move.
Like I said, it's a cointoss. Either Harry fires off a spell first or Roland shoots him down before he can.
Like I said, it's a cointoss. Either Harry fires off a spell first or Roland shoots him down before he can.
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Speed is equalized, yes.
If it weren't, then Roland would put bullets in Harry before he could say a single word.
If it weren't, then Roland would put bullets in Harry before he could say a single word.
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Harry has subsonic reactions only so i guess it isn't that speed stomp if we add his teleportation and invisibility it may not be that bad for the boy who lived
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Harry's reactions are low-end Subsonic.
Roland's everything is high-end Subsonic.
Also, once we have access to enough clips from the Dark Tower film, his speed is going to see a massive upgrade. So I honestly (quite strongly) recommend that speed stay equalized in this match.
Roland's everything is high-end Subsonic.
Also, once we have access to enough clips from the Dark Tower film, his speed is going to see a massive upgrade. So I honestly (quite strongly) recommend that speed stay equalized in this match.
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I'm siding with Roland here.
As everyone is saying; with speed equalized this will be decided by who can land the first hit. Normaly this would be a coin toss but if we take the weapons into consideration then Roland wins.
Simply put, Roland's guns were literally made to be used as weapons. They can be aimed and fired in the same motion. Harry's wand on the other hand needs at least one more step (wand motions) to act.
Roland, due to his skill and experience, will make that first shot with perfect economy of movement. This means that even if Harry managed the same he would always be at least a split second too late.
As everyone is saying; with speed equalized this will be decided by who can land the first hit. Normaly this would be a coin toss but if we take the weapons into consideration then Roland wins.
Simply put, Roland's guns were literally made to be used as weapons. They can be aimed and fired in the same motion. Harry's wand on the other hand needs at least one more step (wand motions) to act.
Roland, due to his skill and experience, will make that first shot with perfect economy of movement. This means that even if Harry managed the same he would always be at least a split second too late.
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You know, I think I said that before at some point, but in hindsight it has more bearing on this matchup than I initially thought. All Roland has to do is aim and fire (and given just who he is, that's literally all he needs to do) while the majority of Harry's spells require wand motions that would cost him precious time.
Now that I think about it, there's also the fact that Harry doesn't have a whole lot of outright killing spells that would put Roland down completely, even if the former did manage to fire first. Some of them (Levicorpus? Locomotor Mortis?) wouldn't even reliably prevent Roland from shooting afterwards, and simple 'cutting/gouging' spells like Sectumsempra, Diffindo and Defodio aren't going to be as effective on a guy who can survive getting shot by a small army, falling a couple of stories into a moving bus, being smacked with hundred-pound steel girders and having piles of stone rubble dropped on him while he's down. (both of the latter two happened to him in the same scene, mind you) Legilimens and Imperio are also useless here thanks to Roland's insane mental resistance, which allows him to no-sell mind-hax from a magician far superior to Harry.
Meanwhile, Roland's six-shooters would be enough to kill Harry no matter what, especially since (among other ridiculous things) they're strong enough to do this.
Yeah, I think I'm gonna switch my vote to Roland. It's still a 'who takes the first shot?' scenario, but the Gunslinger has better odds of doing so, and if he does, Harry's new nickname is going to be The Boy Who Died.
Now that I think about it, there's also the fact that Harry doesn't have a whole lot of outright killing spells that would put Roland down completely, even if the former did manage to fire first. Some of them (Levicorpus? Locomotor Mortis?) wouldn't even reliably prevent Roland from shooting afterwards, and simple 'cutting/gouging' spells like Sectumsempra, Diffindo and Defodio aren't going to be as effective on a guy who can survive getting shot by a small army, falling a couple of stories into a moving bus, being smacked with hundred-pound steel girders and having piles of stone rubble dropped on him while he's down. (both of the latter two happened to him in the same scene, mind you) Legilimens and Imperio are also useless here thanks to Roland's insane mental resistance, which allows him to no-sell mind-hax from a magician far superior to Harry.
Meanwhile, Roland's six-shooters would be enough to kill Harry no matter what, especially since (among other ridiculous things) they're strong enough to do this.
Yeah, I think I'm gonna switch my vote to Roland. It's still a 'who takes the first shot?' scenario, but the Gunslinger has better odds of doing so, and if he does, Harry's new nickname is going to be The Boy Who Died.
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Roland wins.
MrKingOfNegativity and Plyen stated the reasons
MrKingOfNegativity and Plyen stated the reasons
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Roland fra. To be honest, to add slightly to kings argument. Harry isnt exactly a genius. He is smart, but he is not as clever as outwitting the man in black as well as being generally a better survivalist.
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Harry should take this via more versatile hax to utilize.
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Harry's hax won't matter once Roland guns him down. Even amongst beings of comparable speed, Roland's quickdraw is unrivaled within his series, and the mechanics of Potterverse magic more or less screw Harry over in this fight, since the need for wand motions means he doesn't stand a chance at getting off the first shot before Roland does.
Aiming-wise, Roland savages Harry. He has numerous feats of landing perfect shots while firing from the hip, firing from the leg, and even firing without actually looking at his target. He's done the classic 'blew the gun right out of his enemy's hand' trick a number of times, ricocheted his shots in order to hit people, ricocheted his bullets off each other, and shot down projectiles in midair. And even beyond all that, he's capable of rapid-firing and reloading his guns to the point that his shots look like continuous fire from an automatic weapon. Harry's not dodging or deflecting all of that. His opponent is simply too skilled, and he himself isn't skilled enough to Protego his way through that much. It outclasses anything he's ever had to deflect before.
And even if we assume that the battle isn't over within a single blast of Roland's guns, the fight still boils down to projectiles VS projectiles (as all of the spells Harry uses in-character are portrayed as projectiles in the novels), and in that scenario, Roland is not only a far better shot, but has far more options in terms of actually landing a hit thanks to his aforementioned ability to quickfire and ricochet his bullets. His guns are also more than strong enough to kill Harry in one shot, whereas the vast majority of Harry's spells won't kill Roland immediately. (or indeed, even prevent him from shooting should they make contact in the first place)
And this is saying nothing of what would happen if Roland were to have the foresight to shoot Harry's wand itself. (The act of which would probably end up taking off the poor kid's whole hand, given how strong the Guns of Deschain are)
Aiming-wise, Roland savages Harry. He has numerous feats of landing perfect shots while firing from the hip, firing from the leg, and even firing without actually looking at his target. He's done the classic 'blew the gun right out of his enemy's hand' trick a number of times, ricocheted his shots in order to hit people, ricocheted his bullets off each other, and shot down projectiles in midair. And even beyond all that, he's capable of rapid-firing and reloading his guns to the point that his shots look like continuous fire from an automatic weapon. Harry's not dodging or deflecting all of that. His opponent is simply too skilled, and he himself isn't skilled enough to Protego his way through that much. It outclasses anything he's ever had to deflect before.
And even if we assume that the battle isn't over within a single blast of Roland's guns, the fight still boils down to projectiles VS projectiles (as all of the spells Harry uses in-character are portrayed as projectiles in the novels), and in that scenario, Roland is not only a far better shot, but has far more options in terms of actually landing a hit thanks to his aforementioned ability to quickfire and ricochet his bullets. His guns are also more than strong enough to kill Harry in one shot, whereas the vast majority of Harry's spells won't kill Roland immediately. (or indeed, even prevent him from shooting should they make contact in the first place)
And this is saying nothing of what would happen if Roland were to have the foresight to shoot Harry's wand itself. (The act of which would probably end up taking off the poor kid's whole hand, given how strong the Guns of Deschain are)
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I'll be fair and say that Roland has never actually done this. In terms of planning and such, The Man In Black was playing him like a harp throughout the entire series.KinkiestSins said:
Only thing he really did that counts as this was in the new film when he managed to land a shot on him by richocheting his bullets at the last moment, and that was honestly just an end-of-the-road moment of ingenuity after Flagg had spent most of that fight outplaying him. He held his own in a fight, sure, but dude's still nowhere near as crafty.
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Point taken and debunked, but still Roland fra.
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Roland for reasons above.
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I believe Roland is at six votes now.
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Gunslinger for the reasons above.
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That's seven votes now. Grace period.
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Actually, OP miscounted. One of the votes for Roland was simply 'greater speed', which isn't applicable here due to speed being equalized. Said voter has also been banned since then.
So yeah, still 6:2 in favor of Roland.
Actually, OP miscounted. One of the votes for Roland was simply 'greater speed', which isn't applicable here due to speed being equalized. Said voter has also been banned since then.
So yeah, still 6:2 in favor of Roland.
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Roland via reasons above.
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''Now'' we're at 7. Grace period.
