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A little question about Dragon Ball Super

Ryop

Ryop

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Isn't shaking the universe put you multi-galaxy level and not universe level? or i confused?
 
A few reasons..

Goku wasn't at fullest potential in that exchange of blows. He was only at his fullest when he tapped into SSJGod again. Second, Ki blasts are far stronger than regular punches. If his physical strength is 3-B, how strong is his ki blasts ? Second, quite a few author statements support it. Thirdly, being able to destroy an condensed mass that by exploding would destroy the universe, in one punch, while he was weakened.
 
What do you mean "Goku wasnt at fullest potential"? he did this feat while in SSG mod not in SSJ or something like that
 
They weren't shaking the universe, they were going to destroy it over a short period of time
 
Honestly, while I don't mind us ranking it as universal, because it saves a ton of space just to rate DBS Goku as 4-B, 3-A with SSG forms, the feat is clearly Multi Galaxy+ and Beerus is the only one who had a 3-A feat in the episode. Granted 3-A for any point after that is without flaw. As in, RoF and later.
 
Last time i checked the profiles they dont even have 'Shaking the universe' as a justification for their tiers so...
 
Well except for the "shaking universe" feat they dont have any other feat that even close to Universe level so their rank proabably came from this feat becuse there is no other option
 
From Goku's page:

Capable of fighting evenly with a held back Beerus, who nullified universe destroying energy in this state. Also destroyed a ball of energy that would have the same effect, with a simple punch. Capable of vastly enhancing his power with Super Saiyan Blue and Kaio-Ken, in addition to several years of training

This on top of Beerus and Champa's fight threatening to destroy the universe is plenty of proof for their 3-A tier.
 
The gods of destruction may be universe level but Goku\Hit\others are still weaker than Beuurs,we cant sacling this feat to them
 
I see no reason why we cant when Goku himself performed the energy ball destoying feat on top of gaining three much more powerful forms and having years of training after performing said feat
 
Goku during his first fight with Beerus was Multi-Galaxy level, yes. He was supposedly able to destroy the universe in 5 blows. However, he has powered up greatly since then, so Return of F and onwards he should be Universe level.
 
@Ryop You can be weaker than a Universe level character and still be Universe level, you know that right...?
 
I agree with both sides of this. I have no problem with 3-A Goku. Like, at all. But episode 12 didn't have him at Universe level, especially considering how Beerus' best feat in that was baseline universe level, and Goku was still very much under that. Again, we know now that Beerus is well into 3-A, along with Goku, but at the time, we didn't. However, I'd prefer how he's currently ranked, as it saves space, and since he is 3-A with any form worth its salt when he's serious.
 
WeeklyBattles-But you just assumnig he is universe level,we already saw that the different between the power level of Goku and Beerus are still huge for example when Goku cant beat Arale in SSB and Beerus almost one-shot her,Goku is not just "weaker" he is far weaker than Beerus,at least now. i still think we cant sacling Beerus's feat to Goku
 
Antvasima said:
Goku during his first fight with Beerus was Multi-Galaxy level, yes. He was supposedly able to destroy the universe in 5 blows. However, he has powered up greatly since then, so Return of F and onwards he should be Universe level.
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That would make him 3-B+
 
@Ryop Goku still destroyed a ball of energy that wouldve destroyed the universe with nothing but punch
 
Also, I don't like the "simple punch" wording. It makes it sound casual, when it was the complete opposite. It nearly killed Goku and it took all of his strength to do that.
 
@Matthew

Don't you need to destroy half of the universe with one hit to be multi-galaxy+?
 
@Kaltias

You generally need to be at the upper bounds of your Tier to obtain a + in the end of your Attack Potency.

For instance, Doomsday (DCEU) is Mountain level+ because he is dozens of Megatons away from being High 7-A
 
What Matt said. Goku is dangerously close to universal as a SSG. Which is why I don't mind any point after ep. 12 to be 3-A.
 
"the "+" symbol should be used when the Attack Potency is greater than the average (arithmetic mean) of the high end energy level and low end energy level of a particular tier."

Doesn't this mean that you specifically need to be in the upper half of the tier?
 
I know there was a thread for this. Ep 12 is not the only reason for this. Can't find it though..
 
I'm mean, for Beerus and Whis, it's not. But for SSG Goku it is.

(Not to mention that the supposed universe busting ball was done as a Super Saiyan, making it an outlier whether or not it was stated to Universe bust)

Again, I have no problem with Beerus being 3-A, nor Goku any time after episode 12. And I'd rather not add a 3-B form because it takes up space on an already crowded profile. But SSG isn't 3-A.
 
"(Not to mention that the supposed universe busting ball was done as a Super Saiyan, making it an outlier whether or not it was stated to Universe bust)"

Of course that's only because we don't accept Goku absorbing the God powers in that scene.
 
Beerus is 3-A even while holding back immensely, during his fight with Goku.

Even after Goku obtained a new form in Super Saiyan Blue (Which is basically regular Super Saiyan God * Super Saiyan), and trained for almost 5 years accounting for Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and can multiply his power by x10...

He is STILL fodder to Beerus.

The GoDs are casually 3-A
 
@Howard

I don't think Goku doing that as a Super Saiyan is an outlier, since he absorbed the God Ki an then went Super Saiyan, so he would actually become even stronger.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Beerus is 3-A even while holding back immensely, during his fight with Goku.
Even after Goku obtained a new form in Super Saiyan Blue (Which is basically regular Super Saiyan God * Super Saiyan), and trained for almost 5 years accounting for Hyperbolic Time Chamber, and can multiply his power by x10...

He is STILL fodder to Beerus.

The GoDs are casually 3-A
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isnt that just prove that Goku cant sacling to Beerus because he is far weaker,even in X10 mod?
 
@Ryop

Goku is capable of destroying the universe with 3 - 5 punches in Super Saiyan God. By SSB he is reasonably Universal. And by now he is tens of times stronger.
 
I think it's useless to add 3-B+ to Goku since in his profile the DB Super Key is after that arc.
 
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