How much faster than your opponent do you have to be in order to speedblitz?

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

For example how fast does a 9-C have to be in order to speedblitz a 1-B?

Also how fast does 7-B have to be to speedblitz another 7-B?

Remember please state the least number of times that 1 Character has to be faster than the other characters in order to speedblitz.

Please don't mention infinite speed/immeasurable speed.

Thanks for reading.

Nico-v11 · Mar 9, 2017

I would like to know as well. Btw I doubt that a 9-C character is even remotely capable of speedblitzing a 1-B character

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

1. The 1-B cannot be blitzed

2. I'd say at the very least 1.3x faster than their reactions

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

Nico-v11 said:
I would like to know as well. Btw I doubt that a 9-C character is even remotely capable of speedblitzing a 1-B character

I believe that the only circumstances in which a 9-C can speedblitz a 1-B is if the 9-C character had infinite/immeasurable speed while 1-B is MFTL+.

Remember Immeasurable speed > Infinite.

If 9-C didn't have infinite/immeasurable speed then yes 1-B curbstomps.

But what I meant to ask was "How much faster at least do you have to be in order to speedblitz your opponent?"

I hope the others can respond with an answer as well.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
1. The 1-B cannot be blitzed
2. I'd say at the very least 1.3x faster than their reactions

Let's say that 2 versions of John Cena were to fight each other.

1 of the versions of John Cena takes 1 second to punch the other John Cena who takes 1.3 seconds to punch back.

I don't know how that's a speedblitz.

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

The second John Cena would be slower tho

Okay, Character A can react to the speed of light, but Character B is 1.3x FTL in attack speed, I'd say that's a blitz

Nico-v11 · Mar 9, 2017

A speedblitz only occurs when the character that's faster wins because of the speed. There's no way a 9-C character can beat a 1-B character even if the 9-C character was thousands of times faster.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
The second John Cena would be slower tho
Okay, Character A can react to the speed of light, but Character B is 1.3x FTL in attack speed, I'd say that's a blitz

So you consider Attack speed more important than reaction speed?...hmmm I wonder why.

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

I'd say a speedblitz is when they're so fast that the other cannot react, not necessarily winning via speed

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

Nico-v11 said:
A speedblitz only occurs when the character that's faster wins because of the speed. There's no way a 9-C character can beat a 1-B character even if the 9-C character was thousands of times faster.

So you think that 9-C would take forever to damage 1-B while 1-B will eventually land a hit on 9-C?

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

I don't consider attack speed more important than reaction speed, but if the attack speed is faster than the reaction speed of the opponent, they can't react, it's just that simple

What are you implying here?

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
I'd say a speedblitz is when they're so fast that the other cannot react, not necessarily winning via speed

For example. Sonic is FTL while Mario is Massively Hypersonic. In their base forms we will assume they're both 7-B at least. Do you think that Sonic speedblitz?

Nico-v11 · Mar 9, 2017

So you think that 9-C would take forever to damage 1-B while 1-B will eventually land a hit on 9-C?

Exactly. A 9-C character attacking a 1-B character will feel like light pokes. Only way that the 9-C could win is through some form of hax.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
I don't consider attack speed more important than reaction speed, but if the attack speed is faster than the reaction speed of the opponent, they can't react, it's just that simple
What are you implying here?

Aha now I get it. If Character A takes 1 second to react and another second to land a punch while Character B can react in 0.2 seconds and land a punch in 0.5 seconds do you consider that a speedblitz?

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

Of course Sonic speedblitzes, FTL and MHS are so far apart

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
Of course Sonic speedblitzes, FTL and MHS are so far apart

That's if both characters are bloodlusted. Sonic is cocky so he wouldn't speedblitz Mario at the beginning of the fight unless you turn bloodlust on.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

Exactly. A 9-C character attacking a 1-B character will feel like light pokes. Only way that the 9-C could win is through some form of hax.

Even if 9-C did have infinite/immeasurable, he would get bored of having to land more than 999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 punches on 1-B and eventually concede defeat.

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

Sonic would be seeing Mario in slow motion, if Mario attempts to attack Sonic then he'd eventually blitz

I'd still LOVE to know what you were implying with your previous comment

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
Sonic would be seeing Mario in slow motion, if Mario attempts to attack Sonic then he'd eventually blitz
I'd still LOVE to know what you were implying with your previous comment

Bloodlust means that both characters try to kill each other as fast and brutal as possible.

While Sonic does speedblitz Mario. I also believe that Dreamy Bowser will always beat Eggman in any machine unless he uses the Time Eater.

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

Still avoiding giving me an explaination

What do you mean by "So you consider Attack speed more important than reaction speed?...hmmm I wonder why."

How about you just tell me what you mean by that

Don't give me a stupid answer or I'll demolish it ASAP

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
Still avoiding giving me an explaination
What do you mean by "So you consider Attack speed more important than reaction speed?...hmmm I wonder why."

How about you just tell me what you mean by that

Don't give me a stupid answer or I'll demolish it ASAP

Actually I just changed my mind about that. Reaction speed is actually more important. What good is attack speed if you can't react let alone landing 1 hit on your opponent.

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

and what good is your reactions if the opponent is able to attack faster than you react?

They're of equal importance

Nico-v11 · Mar 9, 2017

Reaction speed is good for fighting someone who's attack speed is higher than your attack speed. Attack/combat speed is basically enhanced reaction speed if you think about it.

Let's say Character A has subsonic reaction speed and Character B has subsonic attack speed. They'll be able to fight each other but B is going to be all around faster because A is only reacting quickly, not necessarily moving at that speed.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
and what good is your reactions if the opponent is able to attack faster than you react?
They're of equal importance

Exactly. If Character A takes 1 second to react while Character B can react in 0.2 seconds then start punching in 0.7 seconds then that should count as a speedblitz I think.

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

Character B would blitz

Nico-v11 · Mar 9, 2017

If both speeds are equal then the one with attack/combat speed on that level would have a slight advantage.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

Nico-v11 said:
Reaction speed is good for fighting someone who's attack speed is higher than your attack speed. Attack/combat speed is basically enhanced reaction speed if you think about it.
Let's say Character A has subsonic reaction speed and Character B has subsonic attack speed. They'll be able to fight each other but B is going to be all around faster because A is only reacting quickly, not necessarily moving at that speed.

Oh wait I get it now

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
Character B would blitz

While Character A is getting punched at subsonic speeds he is focusing on trying to protect himself then eventually try to punch Character B later on in the fight.

JustSomeWeirdo · Mar 9, 2017

Not if Character B has higher reactions than Character A's attack speed, and vice versa, if Character A's attack speed is higher than Character B's reactions

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
Not if Character B has higher reactions than Character A's attack speed, and vice versa, if Character A's attack speed is higher than Character B's reactions

If Character B has higher reactions than Character A's attack speed then Character B's attack would be much faster than Character B's reactions.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 9, 2017

One thing to take into consideration about A and B is how much effort they put into their retrospective feats.

Lets, say A performs a speed feat with the utmost ease; B performs a speed feat which is about 1.5x higher but there was evidently signs that he done it by the skin of his teeth. It would be very reasonable to assume that at the least A can match B, with no signs of a blitz.

EDIT: To answer the TC, I'd say it depends on the variables present. Like, how casually were the feats performed and how far is the gap between them.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

Austrian-Man-Meat said:
One thing to take into consideration about A and B is how much effort they put into their retrospective feats.
Lets, say A performs a speed feat with the utmost ease; B performs a speed feat which is about 1.5x higher but there was evidently signs that he done it by the skin of his teeth. It would be very reasonable to assume that at the least A can match B, with no signs of a blitz.

Character A's tenacity will prolong his inevitable defeat.

GreatestSin · Mar 9, 2017

JustSomeWeirdo said:
I'd say a speedblitz is when they're so fast that the other cannot react, not necessarily winning via speed

agree with that,

flash vs ....wolverine for example,

flash cant kill wolverine but he can still speedblitz him,

however i must also mention that speedblitz is used a lot (by myself as well) to say that a char is beating another one due to his higher speed and equal strength...

anyway, for this thread:

1.3 times...seems ok, if we accept that number could we do a "speedblitz"-stacking like with calcs?

because Claymore is a verse where i would LOVE to do something like that XD

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 9, 2017

"Character A's tenacity will prolong his inevitable defeat."

What? It has nothing to do with tenacity, it's to evaluate based on potential; anyways, "inevitable defeat" would imply there's no blitz for either party right?

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

Austrian-Man-Meat said:
"Character A's tenacity will prolong his inevitable defeat."
What? It has nothing to do with tenacity, it's to evaluate based on potential; anyways, "inevitable defeat" would imply there's no blitz for either party right?

My point is that Character B would most likely win due to having faster attack speed and the possibility of speedblitzing. Character A knowing that Character B can react and fight faster than he can react would have no choice but to defend against his punches for a very long time in which Character B will eventually win.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 9, 2017

I'm sorry but I think you've ignored my point about potential, so I'll just pose a question.

Does the fact that A performed his (albeit slower) feats in a much more casual manner than B's significantly reduces the chances of a speed blitz if the gap between them is about 1.5x? If not, how so?

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 9, 2017

Austrian-Man-Meat:

1.5x...I think most likey the answer is no. Assuming that Character A isn't fully concentrating on the fight due to gettimg hit a lot of times then he could get speedblitz eventually. All Character B has got to do is injure him in order to weaken him then finish him off.

Austrian-Man-Meat · Mar 9, 2017

Sorry, I'm not taking your fallacious answer. You're presupposing the very presupposition that is being questioned (by assuming A can't focus on the fight due to B hitting him many times which ignores the possibility that A can avoid these attacks; that perhaps, B will also suffer from injuries.) Which is "Will they both match each other in speed due to the manner in which they performed their retrospective feats?"

LordXcano · Mar 9, 2017

If speedblitzing is "defeating one person before they can react" a Tier 7 can beat a Tier 10 while only having an attack speed that is 0.0000000001 seconds faster than the Tier 10 can react.

Adamjensen2030 · Mar 10, 2017

Austrian-Man-Meat:

Probably yes as long as Character A is fast enough to react and counter attack.

How much faster than your opponent do you have to be in order to speedblitz?

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