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Zeed feats/scans

SSJRyu1

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Hey so I was going over zeeds profile and I wanted to get some scans/proof of a few things I can't seem to find. I hope somebody can help.

1. It says Zeed fought god, where was this shown/stated/implied?

2. How do we scale Zeed as superior to guys like mother eater, the demon lords etc and are there some scans for this?

3. What feats make them able to destroy the multiverse or more and can I get scans or proof of these?
 
1. Zeeds reference book entry states as follows:

According to one theory, when Millenniumon died in a furious battle, the dark soul it possessed was reborn as Zeed Millenniumon. Also, as for the bands which wrap around Zeed Millenniumon, it is said that they are like chains which suppress its abilities, but it is unknown who could cast such a spell on Zeed Millenniumo
While it doesn't concrete state that its God, God is the only being in Digimon whose been confirmed to be in existence that's superior to Zeed. We agreed to the changes about a year ago but I understand if some think its a bit to vague so I'm thinking of putting a note on Zeeds profile that explains it.

2. The Mother Eater was defeated by a combined effort of about 17 Digimon, with two of which being Alphamo and Omegamo as seen here. This is relevant because Zeed effortlessly defeated the Royal Knights. In fact, he one shot Dynasmo, who is either depicted as being stronger than Alphamon and Omegamon or just below them in terms of strength.

Scans: #1 #2 #3 #4

Additionally, Zeed was cited as the greatest threat to the Digital World (Called the "Red-Black Two Headed Dragon" there, but its Zeed), this was said by Homeostasis who has infinite knowledge. It should also be stated that the Digimon XROS WARS universe in particular has a few Multiversal+ characters too, like Quartzmo, who affected "all worlds".

As for the Demon Lords, he scales off of them much in the same way as he scales off of the Royal Knights. While no Demon Lords were (canonically) involved the battle against the Mother Eater, they can fight post-game Takumi Aiba (And late-game in the case of Barbamo) after he's already defeated the Mother Eater.

3. As stated on his reference book page:

Flying freely between space and time, it is a king of evil that is still trying to destroy all eras and worlds. Although a Digimon will become a Digitama if defeated in battle, there are very rare occasions when it has instead been reborn from within the corpse of its data. According to one theory, when Millenniumon died in a furious battle, the dark soul it possessed was reborn as Zeed Millenniumon. Also, as for the bands which wrap around Zeed Millenniumon, it is said that they are like chains which suppress its abilities, but it is unknown who could cast such a spell on Zeed Millenniumon. However, it is foretold that if it is released from this spell, it will rain unfathomable destruction upon the Digital World. Its Special Move is "Time Destroyer", which consigns hostile opponents to oblivion across space and time. So far, no one who has been brushed off by this technique has returned alive from space and time.
~ Reference Book​
Source

Skimming through the script of Digimon Adventure: Brave Tamer, I actually didn't find much in the way of Multiversal+ feats, but I found these two statements.

He claims that he'll convert all data and all networks will be warped into a world that exist soley for him.

If the world's past is destroyed, then history can be altered. Heheheh... Digimon data will be sent from the future world to the world of the past, to create my new world... Hahaha! Won't it be fantastic? All human, digimon, network data will be transformed into a world that exists for my sake! Fwahahaha--!
~ Zeed​
Gennai also claimed he would remake history to his liking. While this might sound like basic time travel rewriting history, I wouldn't be surprised if its actual space-time manipulation considering even his weakest form is capable of annihilating and recreating timelines.

Millenniumon was destroyed by your power, but he revived again and again. However, through the efforts of you and the digimon, he has been obstructed every time. That's right. You fought together with the Digimon Kaiser-- rather, Ichijouji Ken. However, during the last battle, you and Millenniumon were blown away in an explosion. You to the world of the past, him to the world of the future. It's said that Millenniumon already dominates the world of the future. But for complete dominance, the source of the Digital World, the ENIAC, must be completely destroyed so that he may remake history to his liking and achieve total dominatio. Ryo, this may be the last battle. Do not let the Digital World be his! Protect the ENIAC thoroughly.
~ Gennai​
Source

I hope this is enough.
 
Thanks man that is actually really helpful. I am doing a video up for my YT channel comparing Arceus to Zeed, and I had wanted scans and proof to support the fact that Zeed > Mother eater and a threat to god. I had been told this was the case but couldn't find a concrete reason why with proof. This should be enough to drive the point home with proof that he is definitely above mother eater, and implied to be a threat to god at his peak.
 
Ah, I see. If you want Zeed feats, I can direct you to the XROS WARS Manga and the Ryo Akiyama Legacy series. I forget the chapters of the XROS WARS Manga in which Zeed appears, but its either right before or after Chapter 15. I wanna say before.

The script of Digimon Adventure: Brave Tamer can be found here:

http://www.syldra.net/yesterday/wonderswan/btscript.html

It is the first appearance of Zeed and the only one where he isn't depicted as a "Super Boss" or as just a mindless berserker. Unfortunately, since this was made at a relative early in the Digimon franchise, several key elements and terminology isn't used (They never use the terms "All World" nor refer to the Infinite Multiverse as both concepts/phrases wouldn't come til the more "modern" era of the series).

Additionally, the site has scripts for all four Wonderswan games, each game focusing on a member of the family (Anode/Cathode for Millenniummo, Tag Tamers and D1 Tamers for Moon=Millenniummo and Brave Tamer for ZeedMillenniummo).

Lastly, heres the reference book entries for each member of the family:

http://wikimon.net/Millenniumo

http://wikimon.net/Moon_Millenniumo

http://wikimon.net/Zeed_Millenniumo

Good luck on the video, by the way.
 
Nooooo! Arceus gets his ass handed to him 10000000 times over! And even if you were comparing characters, Zeed still has that handily!

Jk. Do well on your video, man.
 
Figured I might as well use this thread to post feats, quotes, profiles and stuff for the Millenniumon line since they are hard to come by. Most of this stuff has been collected and posted on other forums by CheshaCat and Zeromaru X so credit goes to them, all credit of translations goes to the respective translators. Most of the stuff related to the Mille line can be found in the links below:

Millenniummo

Mille respect thread (Spanish)

MoonMillenniummo

ZeedMillenniummo (need to login to view links coz shitty forum)

@Darkanine, Syldra/Ajora posted her revised translations for the WS games on her tumblr. They are much more accurate so use those. (look for the script posts in below links)

Anode/Cathode

Tag Tamers

D-1 Tamers

Brave Tamer

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And I read somewhere here that the "ENIAC was unplugged" or something. Nope. Owing to the connection between Zeed and Ryo, Zeed couldn't destroy ENIAC directly with Ryo being there so he infected ENIAC's world by sending his forces and Tamers, the latter ultimately corrupting and causing the Digital World program run by ENIAC to crash. The backup existed in the form of ABC so the worst didn't transpire. Besides, there's nothing to "unplug" since ENIAC is a ******* glowing ball like Yggdrasil in X-Evolution. It is the creator of all the digital worlds and runs it, the source of everything digital and all DWs and their timelines begin from it. There are screens on Ajora's blog for the infection, additionally here's a quote:

"Monodramon: Ryo! Surely it's one of Millenniumon's digimon… Look! The ground is rapidly growing black… This world of ENIAC will be destroyed by Millenniumon…"

It is also implied that ENIAC may be omnipresent at least in the DWs:

"The scene switches to the future, where ZiydMillenniumon (Òé║ÒéúÒâ╝ÒâëÒâƒÒâ¼ÒâïÒéóÒâóÒâ│)** sits in a chamber much like the ENIAC's. Almost too much alike, in fact. This I'll address elsewhere in greater detail, but the gist is that Mille may have destroyed the future ENIAC and is trying to destroy the past ENIAC as well.

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I'd also like to mention some feats for Mille/MoonMille which were not properly covered in the links above:

- Apokarimon's profile from D1 Tamers :

ÒâƒÒâ¼ÒâïÒéóÒâóÒâ│Òü«ÒüéÒüÅÒü«ÒâæÒâ»Òâ╝ÒüîÒüåÒü┐ÒüáÒüùÒüƒÒâèÒé¥Òü«ÒâçÒé©ÒâóÒâ│ÒÇéÒüØÒü«ÒéÀÒâºÒéªÒé┐ÒéñÒéÆÒüùÒéïÒâóÒâÄÒü»ÒâƒÒâ¼ÒâïÒéóÒâóÒâ│Òü«Òü┐ÒüºÒüé ÒéïÒÇé

"A mysterious Digimon born from Millenniumon's evil power. Only Millenniumon is aware of this."

That Apokarimon from Adventure, the one who could destroy two universes with his suicide move, warp spacetime by his existence, create an infinite dimension of darkness, revive Digimon, copy and use Digimon powers as well as delete everything...was essentially created by Millenniummon. Apokarimon was responsible for creating the Dark Masters, one of which is Mugendramon, the components of Millenniummon. Essentially, Millenniummon created himself.

By the way, multiple Apokarimon exist as mere fodder digimon in MoonMille's world. Moon is pretty much omnipotent within his world.

- With "Time Unlimited", Millenniummon can also reverse/reset time. He uses this to reset the battle to its start if it goes unfavorably for him in the WS games. Only two Digimon in the game (Tag Tamers) could do this battle reset: Clockmon and Millenniumon.

---

Some profiles from the time the WS games were released:

All of the parallel worlds, the future, the past. This Wicked God Digimon can move through them freely and seeks to destroy them. The defeated Millenniumon's soul of darkness achieved revival. It is said that the chain coiled around his body, inscribed with letters, reduces his power, and that if the seal is broken, then the worlds will be ruined...(Megchan)

All parallel worlds, the past, the future. This Wicked God Digimon can appear in any of them and attempt to destroy them. The defeated Millenniummon acquired a spirit of darkness and accomplished its revival as ZeedMillenniummon. It's said that the letter-engraved chains that are coiled around his body are there to weaken its power, but when the seal on its chains is destroyed, the world will perish...(DVR, Wildermo )

- ZeedMillenniummon is an Evil God Digimon that digivolves from Moon=Millenniummon. A single ZeedMillenniummon exists at once at all points in time and space. (can't find the exact source, is from one of the cards released at the time of the WS game) --

Some other quotes from Brave Tamer (for sealed Zeed)

- Tailmon: Ryo, if I understand what you say, you came to take me with you? Hikari, this is important. Millenniumon dominates all of time and space. If he is not defeated here, our worlds will perish. Do you understand, Hikari…

- ToyAgumon: Ryo! Thank you so much! For the ENIAC also… Peace has returned to all eras of the Digital Worlds!

- ENIAC: Thank you, Ryo. All of our peace was regained due to your efforts, courage, and friendship. This world, and the world's futures, have all been restored to their original time. (likely typo here as previous translation: ENIAC: Thank you, Ryo. All our peace was regained by your efforts, courage and friendship. This world, and all the worlds of the future recovered their original times .)

-

Other than CS giving us the exact number of worlds (i.e. stating they were infinite and not "many worlds", "multiple possibilities") and the higher dimensions (hinted in Tamers and XW), nothing was really new. the whole branching worlds/timelines stuff has existed since the beginning.
 
Didn't even know this thread existed. I've learned a lot here? And funny thing is I was just trying to find the discussion thread...XD
 
Hey Mach! Thank you so much for all the help. Especially regarding those revised translations. I made a rough respect thread for the Mille family by reading the scripts of Anode - D1 Tamers, so I guess I'll revise that.

Good stuff on Apocalymon. Interestingly, a card for Mephtsimon implies Apocalymon is higher dimensional.

Elements of Apocalymon's darkness have transcended dimensions to accomplish an evil evolution!
~ St-417​
Source

Even if dimensions in this case simply means other universes, transcending them is still 4-Dimensional. Seems consistent with his infinite dimension of darkness. I'll also check out the subbed version of the Apocalymon "arc" to revise his profile. At least Apocalymon isn't City level anymore, but I have a feeling Small Planet isn't much better.

I'll reread through the scripts, as well as revise the descriptions on the profiles. Thanks again for all the help.
 
awesome thanks guys, this wound up producing even more proof than I ahd expected it to.

@Cal lol yeah it's a stomp in Zeeds favor, but Arceus vs Zeed is a highly requested match on YT debate community so I figured I'd try to cover it properly.
 
Most of the Apocalymon stuff is covered here.

Apocalymon gets the short end of the stick from fans inspite of numerous impressive feats due to the terrible way he was defeated and how his strongest attack was no-sold. Not only did the chosen all come back from being removed from existence, they also gained an unquantifiable powerup and negated his final move with the digivices.He should be planetary at minimum (Dark Masters warped the DW planet into Spiral Mountain, Apocalymon created them), low-multiversal with his suicide attack. He can also take up the form of darkness itself (as seen before he reveals himself) plus even when the humanoid part of his body is destroyed, he can still execute his big bang move.

@SSJRyu1: Do check the XW Zeed feats too, he's quite impressive there being able to destroy all existence, non-existence, concepts and such.
 
ZeedMille event ongoing in Digimon Heroes

Event text:

You wake up in the middle of the night by a powerful rumble. Something is not right, you can't move even if you feel awake. It almost feels like lucid dreaming…
After minutes of struggle, you can barely open your eyes, everything around is blurry in this pitch black night. The only thing you notice is two dark claws dragging you closer to the wall. As you get dragged across the floor, your instinct is to scream for your team. But you can't, you can`t do anything to avoid whatever awaits..

The claws drag you through a portal that opened on the wall, and as soon as you pass through it, you find yourself into an strange place, between space and time itself! As soon as you can move again you realize that this is no dream, you're in a dark matter bubble that floats above earth. The view makes you forget about your worries. You can see all the planets in space, the stars even some small meteorites passing close, you feel like you can almost touch them!

But there's no time to enjoy the view, the Evil God Digimon, ZeedMillenniumon appears in front of you. While floating, its two heads start moving and speaking individually. The two heads speak simultaneously but on different tonalities, combined the sound is so powerful and dark that your skin starts to treble!

"Tamer, I have seen your work, your power defies all logic! The power that lies within you makes me think you are the one, the only one who can release me from this horrible spell! TOGETHER WE CAN RULE THE DIGIVERSE! What do you say?"

You have no chance against this powerful entity, it will surely crush you if you deny its offer and there`s no one here to back you up…

"I will stand by your side only if I can take with me the team that stood strong in each and every battle I have faced! Reunite us so I can discuss this matter with them."

ZeedMillenniumon nods.

Your team appears next to you and gather around asking what is the meaning of this. The team leader studies ZeedMillenniumon and looks at you worried. You whisper: "Let's destroy him, it`s our only chance, I will never stand to be by its side, better dead than its disciple…are you with me?"
Minor feats but what's interesting is that they reference his weakened state while sealed and he is trying to release himself from the seal. Which would allow him to rule the DIGIVERSE. Not Digital World, not Real World, but the DIGIVERSE. Likely referring to the collective verse/entirety of it (i.e. something like Marvelverse, DCverse, SMTverse, etc).

He can also paralyze opponents in the boss battle against him during the event, which may not totally be game mechanics considering the first three paragraphs above.

Perhaps they will have an unsealed Zeed event in the future.

Cards for those who are interested: Millenniummo

ZeedMillenniummo
 
I can get to those down the line, I just need to reread the script to Brave Tamer, which I'm going to do soon anyway.
 
I have a question regarding something since my knowledge on Digimon is much more limited than everyone else here due to not having the time to catch up (watching other anime at the moment). It's been on my mind for a while and I wanted to make a thread asking for it but I guess I can ask it here. Note, this is NOT me downplaying Digimon and I wasn't/am not intending to. This is just something I've been confused about and would like more clarification for it.

Anyway, its about the Multiverse being considered infinite. Now, I don't have qualms about it being that big at all, but is there actual evidence for it? What I really mean is, is the statement made about the multiverse being infinite in Cyber Cleuth considered legitamite? I always assumed that for such a statement to be accepted it would need to be coming from a very accurate and reliable source. Since there's only a single statement about the Digital World having infinite worlds, It was something I was wondering for a while. In addition, i've seen comments here saying that the size of the Digital World is not the same in each continuity. That the size is varies and is very different for each part of the canon. That was why NEO didnt get upgraded to 2-A because the Digital World in his canon was never confirmed, stated or refered to being Infinite. So if what im getting at is true, then is there a reason to consider the Digital World in every other continuity to be Infinite?

Again, this is not me trying to downplay. It's just that, due to lack of info on Digimon and the lack of time to catch up from where I left off, Im conflicted about this topic at the moment and would appreciate those more knowledgeable to fill me in if they can. Thank you.
 
@Kukui

Mirei has extensive knowledge on the Digital World, so I don't see what's wrong with her statement.

IIRC NEO didn't get upgraded because he never actually did anything related to every universe, just the one Digital World.
 
Well there are actually more than one statement for this and yes it is legitimate since Cyber Sleuth is indeed canon(like almost everything in Digimon)

Also Mirei has a ton of knowledge of the Digimon Multiverse, so she is trust worthy. Same for Seudo who confirmed Higher Dimensions Beyond the 4-D and 5-D multiverse.
 
Honestly, if a character in a series refers to an infinite Multiverse, it's most likely a way for the writer to portray that concept in a less mechanical way. That said, Mirei is a legitimate source. I mean, she knows the true nature of the Demon Lords and explains the concepts of Multiversal Sins. However, I have yet to play the Re:Digitize and Next 0rder series which also features her, so I don't know her full story.

Also if memory serves, I believe Homeostasis refers to infinite worlds in TRI, but I could be misrepresenting.
 
@Darknine

Homeostasis spoke about the existence of all possible worlds, did not say directly infinite. However there are a lot of mentions of having infinite worlds in CS, I think it is unnecessary to reaffirm when a main franchise game (Story is a main series next to World) has said so many times that there are endless possibilities of worlds.
 
Executor N0 said:
@Darknine
Homeostasis spoke about the existence of all possible worlds, did not say directly infinite. However there are a lot of mentions of having infinite worlds in CS, I think it is unnecessary to reaffirm when a main franchise game (Story is a main series next to World) has said so many times that there are endless possibilities of worlds.
Click to expand...
All possible worlds, there are infinite possibilities for anything either way
 
It's also not really a single statement. Mirei says it, Kyoko says it and also even Suedou says it. That's 3 characters and highly knowledgeable about the multiverse at that.

http://i.imgur.com/wWxg4Oa.png

http://i.imgur.com/NRE13b0.png

http://i.imgur.com/b3ovdFg.png

http://i.imgur.com/NfMegOw.png?1

http://i.imgur.com/vv5PI5X.png?1


Even before CS, we had mentions of the multiverse having lots of worlds, worlds of possibilities and such but a direct number was not given. CS just gives us this number.

The DW is a universe in its entirety in every continuity. Majority of the action in most settings takes place on its earth-like planet though.

@Darkanine and Executor N0: In Tri, the worlds were said to be of all possibilities and branching in a multi-layered way. Would the "multi-layered" part mean anything in our system?
 
I feel some of the confusion may come from the scan we use for the Infinite Multiverse on some of the profiles. Mirei has a few quotes referring to infinite worlds. Currently we use the one where she mentions it in a very weird and playful manner ("Infinite branching worlds with infinite mes!") and not the more serious mentions of the Multiverse.

I should get on that and replace the scan with the more serious and straight forward mentions by Suedo, Kyoko and Mirei.
 
Thanks, but we typically use "Countless" to refer to an extremely high, but finite number. I guess the only real Infinite statements are the ones from Mirei, which I still strongly believe are usable.
 
I see. Sorry then. Though on further inspection, Kyoko mentions "for every possibility", so that is also Infinite.
 
Kk this clears up a lot of stuff now. I just have one question left and my apologies if you already answered it.

As i've mentioned, i've seen comments here about the DW being different in each continuity, meaning not every version of the DW is infinite like the one from Cyber Sleuth. Like here in the NEO thread. It mentions specific examples like how in Data Squad, the DW is only a planet. But it gets the Multiverse treatment in Xros Wars.

Im not claiming the DW in the continuities with the Digimon who are 2-A because of the statements arent Infinite. But what I would to ask is are the DW's in their continuities Infinite like the one in C.S.? Or is NEO's just the one specific continuity where the DW isnt infinite but all the other ones are?
 
While I personally believe any character who fuses with the Digital World's universe should get the Infinte Universe treatment. But of course I'll leave stuff like that to Dark and Reppu.
 
In Savers the Digital World being a planet can only be a figure of speech, in the saga Story (Which according to Bandai happens in the same Digital World of Digimon Savers) the meaning of Digital World is undeniably to be a Universe.

N.E.O is from the same Digital World in question (At least the characters of Next appear directly in Digimon Story Moonlight / Sunburst and by the comments of the other characters, they are yes of course of that digital world).

It should be noted that the characters are not being scaled to 2-A by the Digital World to have infinite data (which is an assumption coming from Digimon Re: Digitize and Xros Wars), they are scaled to 2-A by Mother Eater to destroy all The old multiverse and recreate a new one that would transcend the Digital World (this being already above the Real World).
 
I made a blog about this, and the final conclusion is that the Digital World always receives the Universe classification in games and manga, with practically only 2/3 animes saying that it is a planet, yet two of them have additional information that Deny these claims and classify the Digital World as a universe.
 
Okay I see but there's still more to my question here. Even if they are at least a single universe, my question still asks if all the versions of the Digital World are infinite except specific ones. Even if one of them is a universe, that version of the DW isnt given the Multiverse treatment, like another one is. Like I mentioned, I have no issues with the digimon who are 2-A being where they at, im just confused if whether or not them destroying the entire DW in their respective canon is infinite, small or anything in the middle. Like with Mother Eater.
 
Well, from what I knew, being an infinite universe or not, the treatment is still Low 2-C if it is the destruction of space-time. So what is the difference between a Digital World being infinite or not? After all, only the characters who would destroy the whole Multiverse and not just the Digital World are classified as the Mother Eater level.

If it were to destroy / create an infinite space-time to have the classification like that of Mother Eater, Apocalymon would be at that level for having created a universe of infinite size.
 
Actually I would also like to discuss that. Isn't Apocalymon's suicide attack Big Bang level? If so for Digimon that would be 2-A correct? Seeing as that is part of the reasoning for Seraphimon's composite 2-A rating.. We mostly scaled those who use the term "All Worlds" to 2-A tho.
 
In this case, Gran Death Big Bang is just the name of the technique, it is not known if the name is escalating it to the level of the Big Bang that originated the whole creation. It is not even referenced to the Big Bang, it is only said that this technique can destroy worlds.
 
@Dragon

Apocalymon's Darkness Zone is stated to be able to create endlessly spreading darkness that reduces everything to nothingness, and that one's not a suicide attack.
 
Well it does say this though.

"Although the reason for its appearance is unconfirmed, it is thought that it seeks to purge the chaotic Digital World and return it to "Nothingness". According to one theory, there is a prophecy of Apoclymon's coming in a book of ancient prophecies. Its Special Move is generating an endlessly spreading darkness, which returns everything to "Nothingness"."

EDIT: Ever ninja'd me.
 
Apocalymon should be "At least Low 2-C, possibly far higher". He has been said to have endless Darkness (backed up by Gennai) and can reduce everything to "nothing". The "far higher" part comes from a TCG quote implying his Darkness is higher dimensional.
 
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