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Five Possible Dragon Ball Upgrades

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1)The first character is Bardock, i think we should separate Canon Bardock from Episode of Bardock.

Tier: At least Low 5-B | 5-B. Likely High 5-A

Attack Potency: At least Small Planet level via powerscaling (Stated to be more powerful than Nappa) | Planet level (Stated to be very close in power to King Vegeta before getting a Zenkai Boost from Frieza Supernova). Likely Dwarf Star level+ as a Super Saiyan via powerscaling (Comparable to First Form Frieza)

Key: Canon Bardock | Episode of Bardock

2)The second is Oozaru Vegeta stats which are missing from Vegeta profile.

Tier: 5-B, 5-A

Attack Potency/Durability: Planet level (Far superior to Nappa, stated he was going to turn the Earth into ashes ), Large Planet level in Oozaru form (His power is superior to that of Captain Ginyu)

Striking Strength: Class XJ in base, Class XKJ in Oozaru form

Key: Saiyan Saga

3)The third is Turles.

Tier: 5-A to Possibly High 5-A

Attack Potency/Durability: Large Planet level (Stomped Kaioken x10 Goku after eating the first fruit) to Possibly Dwarf Star level+ (After eating the second fruit, Turles became much stronger than before and possibly reaching Frieza level)

Striking Strength: Class XKJ to Possibly Class XGJ

Key: Post-Tree of Life

4)The fourth is Lord Slug.

Tier: Likely High 5-A

Attack Potency/Durability: Likely Dwarf Star level+ (Superior to Turles but inferior to Cooler, King Kai thought that he was stronger than Frieza)

Striking Strength: Likely Class XGJ

Key: DBZ Movie 4

5)The fifth are the speeds for Dragon Ball Super characters.

I think that Botamo, Current Piccolo, Frost, Cabba, Magetta, Copy-Vegeta and Zamasu/Goku Black are at least FTL+, possibly Massively FTL in Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Burst Speed by being vastly faster than Super Buu since Copy-Vegeta casually blitzed and stomped Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks.
 
i only have problems with the last one ( I truly have problems with that feat on general) but he didnt really blits he just one shot.
 
Planet level x10 = large planet? just asking.

Edit: also, I disagree with current gohan and current piccolo > super buu
 
PaChi2 said:
Planet level x10 = large planet? just asking.
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Try to calc the difference between Frieza's PL with Vegeta's during the Saiyan Saga, and then the difference between Frieza's calc and the Energy to destroy the Earth.

Edit: also, I disagree with current gohan and current piccolo > super buu

I actually was planning to make a thread about that when I get the time to. But, it's about that Gohan SSJ could scale from SSJ Gotenks, so Piccolo would be on Base Gotenks' level (Because, I don't believe that Frost were so weakened)
 
that still makes super buu > gohan/piccolo/gotenks (sans ssj3)

the other part... using PLs is speculative because we know they arent linear and we dont know if they scale to only AP... (if you can give the proper calculation you suggested I'd appreciate it, thanks).
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
Wait how is Bardock even remotely comparable to 1st Form Frieza?
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Bardock's PL before Zenkai Boost was 10,000

Going SSJ would make him 500,000

In order to make SSJ Bardock equal to 1st Form Frieza, he should have a PL of 10,600. Considering how Zenkai works, pretty sure Bardock in SSJ is superior to 1st Form Frieza
 
PaChi2 said:
that still makes super buu > gohan/piccolo/gotenks (sans ssj3)
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And your point is...? (If you're talking about Speed, I also have a potencial upgrade for MFTL from Cell Saga and on)

the other part... using PLs is speculative because we know they arent linear and we dont know if they scale to only AP... (if you can give the proper calculation you suggested I'd appreciate it, thanks).

If you mean about Oozaru Vegeta, he stills being stronger than Ginyu, yes. One way or another, Goku surviving to him is PIS/Outlier.
 
Wasn't his Great Ape power weaker than Ginyu when he fought Goku? He lost lots of energy fighting Kaio-Ken Goku, and had to make an artificial moon which burned lots more ki.
 
That doesn't changes the fact that Oozaru is ten times stronger. And the artificial moon is very easy, nothing that "burns lots of ki"


If you talk about why Goki survived the fight, stilla PIS
 
I suppose that this seems reasonable, but would prefer more staff input.
 
I can see myself agreeing with most of this. Except Vegeta. The idea of him going baseline planet level to somewhere in large planet in a gap of 47x is something I can't get behind.
 
Power levels are non-linear, Ginyu has one of about 120000(or at least Goku when he got to Namek did) or something and is 5-A, Vegeta is stronger than that.
 
@Aiden

Yes, the speed part, you justify FTL+ with MFTL reactions to both of them (gohan and piccolo) for being faster than Super Buu, which is what I disagree with, Gohan got weaker to the point he can only access ssj and piccolo... well, he is weaker than ssj gohan. If you can get that MFTL for cell saga, okay, nvm.
 
I'll wait for a little more approval, then i will apply the upgrades.
 
RadicalMrR said:
Power levels are non-linear, Ginyu has one of about 120000(or at least Goku when he got to Namek did) or something and is 5-A, Vegeta is stronger than that.
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Then Ginyu shouldn't be 5-A. That or PLs are bull. Because there's no way Vegeta went from baseline planet with his best attack to casually stomping and it would be destroyed. We don't give that kind of leniency with any other franchise. Especially when there's a set number for that form, which unlike Super Saiyan, has no contradictions.
 
I've been meaning to ask, when did SSJ have contradictions? I get SSJ2 and 3, but when did SSJ get contradicted?

Although now that I think of it, I also have to agree about the Vegeta one with Cal
 
SomebodyData said:
I've been meaning to ask, when did SSJ have contradictions? I get SSJ2 and 3, but when did SSJ get contradicted?

Although now that I think of it, I also have to agree about the Vegeta one with Cal
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i think friza.
 
Frieza was actually incredibly consistent with the SSJ multiplier. To the point that I really want to know how many contradictions actually make it non-usable
 
SomebodyData said:
Frieza was actually incredibly consistent with the SSJ multiplier. To the point that I really want to know how many contradictions actually make it non-usable
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other them that i dont know.
 
What about a hypothetical King Piccolo saga Goku Oozaru form, what tier would he be? Low 5-B?
 
I meant Super Saiyan in general. I wasn't specifying a specific one. I just meant all the grades and numbers.
 
Yeah, I know. SSJ1 is one of those grades and numbers, I'm just asking what makes SSJ1 inconsistent.
 
FTW395 said:
What about a hypothetical King Piccolo saga Goku Oozaru form, what tier would he be? Low 5-B?
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In the Weekly Shonen Jump magazine Raditz has a power level of 1500 and he is Low 5-B, King Piccolo Goku Oozaru form would be 1800 from his base 180, so yes. Then the same magazine says that Mr. Popo power level is 1030.
 
Dark649 said:
In the Weekly Shonen Jump magazine Raditz has a power level of 1500 and he is Low 5-B, King Piccolo Goku Oozaru form would be 1800 from his base 180, so yes. Then the same magazine says that Mr. Popo power level is 1030.
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Should we add the possibility of Goku going Oozaru during the King Piccolo saga to his profile, because this was the last time he had a tail. Same goes for Oozaru Vegeta.
 
FTW395 said:
Should we add the possibility of Goku going Oozaru during the King Piccolo saga to his profile, because this was the last time he had a tail. Same goes for Oozaru Vegeta.
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Oozaru Gohan and Vegeta yes, but Goku never transformed during King Piccolo saga, it should not be considered.
 
Frieza is at the high end of High 5-A, Ginyu isnt to far from him.

The Ginyu Force with the exception of Guldo Stomp both Saiyan Saga and Pre-Frieza Fight Vegeta.

5-A Ginyu isnt a stretch and while power levels are indeed bs the most consistent thing about them is: Higher Power level>Lower Power level.

So whatever we rate Ginyu or Pre Frieza fight Goku, Oozaru Vegeta scales.
 
@SomebodyData is there a Difference? We know from Kaio-Ken that Power Level multipliers also multiply the stats of the user.
 
Looks like the upgrades are mostly accepted, i will be soon perform the upgrades.
 
I disagree with the changes on Bardock profile and with the speed upgrade for the U6 combatans (I have a potential upgrade, but for now, there's no way that with current ratings they could reach MFTL, except that you have proofs that they are > SSJ Vegito)
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
I disagree with the changes on Bardock profile and with the speed upgrade for the U6 combatans (I have a potential upgrade, but for now, there's no way that with current ratings they could reach MFTL, except that you have proofs that they are > SSJ Vegito)
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The changes made to his profile are to separate Canon Bardock from from Episode of Bardock (Which is canonicity debated and set after the anime/tv special version, which is also not canon [Here it was stated that after two Zenkai Boosts Bardock was very close to King Vegeta in power]). U6 fighters are not > Current SSJ Vegito, but they should be superior in speed to Mystic Gohan, who is at least FTL+, possibly Massively FTL in Combat Speed, Reactions and Short Burst Speed (Superior to Gotenks SSJ3, also blitzed Super Buu).
 
SSJ is from Manga, which is debatable

Anime is non canon (Read the note please)


Ultimate Gohan shouldn't be "Possibly MFTL", unless he is on Vegito's level
 
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