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Fusion Zamasu vs Palkia

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Obviously, Palkia is sealed. To keep F. Zamasu from just spamming beams (which would be unfair for Zamasu), I'm going to equalize speed (by forcing them to use physical bodies) so he can use some of his other, better abilities in his normal body. Basically, this is Zamasu in his humanoid body with his tier 2 (and 3) powers against Palkia's draconic, sealed body. For this fight, they're both infinite in speed (hence the need to equalize speed).

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Zamasu Giygas
Palkia: 4

Fusion Zamasu: 1
 
Hmm.

Also Cal since you edited Dialga and Palkia's profiles recently is it okay if I add in "At Least Low 2-C" to their profiles? They were supposed to get that from a thread I made a few days ago but it got closed before I could ask someone to make the changes
 
I only edited to add matter manipulation, and I can't edit them normally. Only, CMs, Admins and Bureaus can.
 
"I'm going to equalize speed (by forcing them to use physical bodies) so he can use some of his other, better abilities in his normal body. Basically, this is Zamasu in his humanoid body with his tier 2 (and 3) powers against Palkia's draconic, sealed body. For this fight, they're both infinite in speed (hence the need to equalize speed)."

The mental gymnastics needed to make the matchup viable in the first place make this thread pretty pointless.

Maybe you should try pinning characters that have a comparable set of powers first rather than trying to equalize what can't be equalized without creating enormous inconsistencies.
 
I have to give this to fused zamasu with his durability negating scythe and intangibility.
 
I doubt his scythe would do anything with Palkia's hax and all, and his intangibility gets countered by Reality Warping

Also, this probably doesnt get used much but since Palkia is the embodiment and representation of Space, wouldnt it getting injured cause Space itself to be nearly destroyed?
 
The scythe can ignore durability. I'm pretty sure something like that can harm anyone. If not, then Saint Seiya characters couldn't harm anyone they fought, even if it's a tier 2 character.
 
@Theglass

I think Anime4Life's point is that Palkia is the master of space itself, meaning that something that can slice through it is utterly ineffective against someone who has nearly absolute dominion over it.
 
Only 2-B Palkia is the true "master" of space.

Palkia wins with it's huge advantage in hax. The Scythe attacks shouldn't have a huge affect on an entity that took Space-Time erasure causally.
 
Also like i pointed out before, wouldnt harming Palkia mean harming space itself given Palkia represents it? And how its very life keeps space stable?

If so, then this version of Zamasu would be harming himself due to himself likely becoming the Space-Time of the universe
 
Fz gets outhaxes, the pokemon can tear space-time appart as if it was butter.
 
addable? Cal created a new "composite" zamasu, it cannot be added (any of zamasu's forms is stomped by palkia btw).
 
Composite matches have been added before. See most of Link's , Reimu's, Mario's, and Mewtwo's matches in the past. Of course, none of them were finished, or were removed for other reasons...
 
Now that I think about it, isn't this a little bit unfair to zamasu since he can't do anything to palkia?
 
Frankly this feels more like a stomp, but I don't know FZ that well so I guess there is something he can do to fight back, but even then I'd have to say Palkia wins this
 
The real cal howard said:
Composite matches have been added before. See most of Link's , Reimu's, Mario's, and Mewtwo's matches in the past. Of course, none of them were finished, or were removed for other reasons...
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I know, yeah, the point is, "Composite fused zamasu" doesnt exist per se. I know there are composite profiles.
 
Wait, does Palkia have any feats involving soul destruction? If not palkia is not going to be able to kill him in any way given this version required an higher deity that is 2-C and stronger than this version of palkia you're using.

And palkia only represents space, Zamasu was becoming the order of the universe, meaning he became time and space as well.
 
@Aguila When Diagla and Palkia attacked each other, everything was destroyed including space and time. They also erased Darkrai during that fight. As in total space time destruction which by the way, Zamasu is not resistant nor immune to Space time destruction as demonstrated by Future Zeno, who was a tier above him or at least it is.
 
1. Zeno wasn't "required" to beat Zamasu in the way that your thinking. He was just the only one who could beat him due to no one else being in Tier 2 other than Zeno plus him being able to destroy the space-time of the universe while the others cannot. You dont need to be higher than Low 2-C to destroy Zamasu the way Zeno did as any Low 2-C who can destroy the Universe's space-time would be able to kill Zamasu. And Palkia doesnt need to kill Zamasu as he simply outhaxes him. In addition, that logic does not hold much water otherwise I can say Zamasu can't kill Palkia in any way because Palkia was "required" to have Arceus beat it, Dialga and Giratina in a stomp match. All Palkia needs to do is erase the Space-Time of the universe and end Zamasu.

2; Okay and? That still wont stop Palkia from destroying Space-Time in the universe their fighting in. And given the fact that Palkia represents space sealed or unsealed, harming or killing it would automatically result in Space itself being nearly to completely destroyed, which would harm Zamasu as well given he became the Space-Time of U7.
 
Starkiller215 said:
@Aguila When Diagla and Palkia attacked each other, everything was destroyed including space and time. They also erased Darkrai during that fight. As in total space time destruction which by the way, Zamasu is not resistant nor immune to Space time destruction as demonstrated by Future Zeno, who was a tier above him or at least it is.
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Considering the fact the two of them were required for that and happened very slowly I very much doubt Palkia from the movie would be able to achieve this on his lonesome.
 
Where is this "requiring" stuff coming from? Palkia doesnt need Dialga to erase someone or something from Space-Time and when was it established they were doing it "very" slowly?

Not to be rude but unless im missing something, this seems like downplaying on Palkia's part.
 
@Aguila It didn't happen very "slowly" as you are saying there as it did begin to spread rapidly via the shockwaves. There is also the fact he can stll erased space consider how he govern almost the total domain of space itself in his sealed form. You really think that is a truly a requirement?
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
Where is this "requiring" stuff coming from? Palkia doesnt need Dialga to erase someone or something from Space-Time and when was it established they were doing it "very" slowly?
Not to be rude but unless im missing something, this seems like downplaying on Palkia's part.
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At least in the movies there isn't a single instance of palkia destroying whole continums on his lonesome, even in the anime canon where cyrus was using his power to create a new universe he still needed dialga, so really not seeing how erasing space time can be attributed to Palkia alone when every other instance of him achieving a feat on this particular canon is directly correlated with the fact dialga was there, so that's the most logical conclusion.

"@Aguila It didn't happen very "slowly" as you are saying there as it did begin to spread rapidly via the shockwaves. There is also the fact "

I got that impression from the movie, but on closer analysis the town they were fighting on not instantly dissapearing along with the universe seems to be a narrative convenience for the plot to happen so yeah that's a misconception on my part.

"he can stll erased space consider how he govern almost the total domain of space itself in his sealed form. You really think that is a truly a requirement?"

Problem with this is the fact how the tiering system works, even if the space he manipulates is infinite you can only deduce a high 3-A rating from that
 
@Aguila Palkia also destroyed a few lamp posts upon entering the town in the movie. Also it is really hard to protray these two as the fact that the Pokemon lore was confirmed to have a multiverse implying the games that got previously retconned or non canon that featured Palkia and Diagla separately is possible they could destroy the universe amd its timelines on their own. Also Palkia being the representative and embodiment of space itself can become Low 2-C as it is a 4D concept. They also live in separate dimensions that are outside space and time.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
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1st point steems from the fact that he has (a weakened) type 4 immortality and by definition a higher deity is needed to override it which is what zeno is in relation to him, but what you say makes sense if someone were to destroy the continum he is in he could die. still...

2. Wouldn't that only result in black's reactive evolution kicking in (assuming it still works as it should) , even so hurting space may not kill him. considering he is the whole continum itself.


"@Aguila Palkia also destroyed a few lamp posts upon entering the tower in the movie"

explain further

"Also it is really hard to protray these two as the fact that the Pokemon lore was confirmed to have a multiverse implying the games that got previously retconned or non canon that featured Palkia and Diagla is possible they could destroy the universe amd its timelines."

That's raises a problem, how can one deduce that this is not something that can be attributed to their unsealed forms only?

and even so, this seems to come from the supposition that the creation trio is unique to the multiverse, which doesn't really have much evidence going for it
 
...How is everyone not noticing that FZ has literally no way to beat Palkia while Palkia has a ton of stuff it can use to finish him off? This here is the textbook definition of stomp.
 
Starkiller215 said:
@Aguila Look into this respect thread blog for Palkia and Diagla: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...al_Part_(Completed)#Pokemon_.28Main_Series.29
Note: Kept in mind this is a outdated thread by the time it was confirmed that the Pokemon verse had a multiverse. This was shown by having their sealed form in the respective games.

Also Black's Reactive Evolution is limited and it doesn't prove helpful in the long run.
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Hmm, I don't really see anthing that would grant (sealed) Palkia continum destrcution by himself, even when you consider Giratina's distortion world (higher plane) slipping into the real world (multiverse) and threathening both, one can only attribute it to his unsealed form.

True, they all shaped the world (multiverse), however even the author of the blog doesn't clarify wether or not this is a feat that was achieved with their sealed forms

But I digress, this is a discussion that shouldn't be brought up in a VS thread so I concede for the time being.
 
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