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Yu Yu Hakusho general upgrades?

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Sure thats great, but its not enough. Where does anything say that its light? Well actually 3 or more techniques such as the Spirit light wave, Spiritual light attack, and the Spirit light orb (most of these are Genkai's attacks) all imply and say that the attack is in fact light based. Reigan is also one of Genkai's techniques in which she uses the same spiritual light she does. It all makes sense if you think about it. But lets talk about that feat:

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How does the mirror reflect light? The silver atoms behind the glass absorb the photons of incoming light energy and become excited. But that makes them unstable, so they try to become stable again by getting rid of the extra energy—and they do that by giving off some more photons. (You can read about how atoms take in and give out photons in our article about light.) The back of a mirror is usually covered with some sort of darkly colored, protective material to stop the silver coating from getting scratched, and also to reduce the risk of any light seeping through from behind. Silver reflects light better than almost anything else and that's because it gives off almost as many photons of light as fall on it in the first place. The photons that come out of the mirror are pretty much the same as the ones that go into it.


Mirrors Just work reflecting Photons, Photons are LS.

The mirror is a magic mirror,
the mirror sucks the life force and in turn fulfills a desire, but in other respects acts like a normal mirror, this is his unique magic.

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So I think that needs change YYH profiles for "At Least LS reactions". I re-read the entire manga and the characters were never surprised by anything slower, also has nothing to contradict this reaction speed.


The user @Grenn Brother add other feats to updates:


In the battle in Makai, Yu Yu Hakusho have some feats in Country level:

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Thats the tree used in Makai tournament, is so big, even with the Makei been Vast superior then Earth in size we can se the planet curvature. And was needed make a especial dimensional barrier for the battle:

Barrier


and this is the result of battles:

Result


In other perspective the tree is so great that it is above then clouds:

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The planet curvature is importante cause Makai is so great that is cosiderad infinite for spiritual world

Koema Talking about Other worlds:

Koema


Thats make the DC upgrade for Continent for Top Tiers and Multi-Continent for God Tiers.

Speed:

Yusuke blitz and one shot 43 demons in Sensui's Level:

Yusuke attacks
Yuyu


Yusuke, even with the thicker atmosphere, send all his demons to space with punchs. This make his speed up to At Least Sub relativistic.
 
Seems reasonable to me. In really, YYH characters are so much powerfull than we really know, its very sad that we never will see the totality of them powers.
 
Geas That Crazy said:
Seems reasonable to me. In really, YYH characters are so much powerfull than we really know, its very sad that we never will see the totality of them powers.
I always sad that, look, Sensui make a earthquake just with his energy, The human word can't endure all his power. Sensui just can use 1/5 of his power and he is just low S class with 20.000 PL, EoS Yu Yu characters are al least Moon level to Planet level
 
As much as I would love lightspeed reflexes for YYH characters, I'm pretty sure this can be dimissed as PIS. In fact, I always thought it was ridiculous and too convenient even before I learnt what PIS is and what qualifies as PIS.

During Yusuke's fight with Jin in the Dark tournament, you can clearly see that the Reigan is not lightspeed and Koto was able to say something by the time it reached Jin. Furthermore, wind managed to deflect the shot. I think its safe to say that normal light based physics absolutely should not be applied to the Reigan.
 
I am uncertain. I would prefer to see more staff input.
 
I love yu yu hakusho and I will wank the series to no end


Lightspeed though seems much. I will be on the bandwagon for upgrading the the three demon kings to maybe moon level or planet level, but the light speed thing seems to be much


But I think the discussion is strong here and I think it doesnt seem like a bad idea to talk about it, get input.
 
And I mean get input for the light speed reaction time and possibly increased attack potency (even though the rules stated this was done over and over again)
 
When Yusuke went to speak with Genkai regarding his origins and his purpose, she says the following to him:

Everyone has something they can break if they reach a certain point. Toys, pets, lovers, families, countries. Yours is just bigger than everyone else's.

Nothing about planet busting. Country level. And when Yusuke was about to resurrect after Sensui "killed" him, the Spirit World Special Forces were alerted that the destruction of a country was possible (and it was never specified to be in one attack). However, only their captain knew of S-class demons and the rest were unaware of such entities. They believed they were most likely facing an upper A-class. I suppose one could make the argument that upper A-class beings in YYH are approaching country level. Even so, this would mean that the S-class are at best around continent level i.e. nowhere near moon level leave alone planet level.
 
Okay sure, but considering Sensui was capable of of destroying a country with his power and Yomi should be 75 times more powerful (sensui has a power level of around 20,000 and Yomi around 1.5 million if I remember correctly.)


That merits an upgraded, checked the AP page, that would put them in the 6-A or High 6-A range.

As for the light speed reaction thing (point of this post), I think this was so early on in the series that it may just be an outlier, like Roshi with the moon thing.
 
And if I get into a discussion on upgrading the attack potency for the universe, that is probably a seperate post.

I, as a common pleb, vote no for the speed upgrade. It just seems too much off a slippery slope for me
 
Sensui's Beheaded Hill busting feat I believe is 400 Gigatons to at best 1.6 Teratons. Sensui had a power level of 20,000 while the Three Kings (Raizen, Yomi, Mukuro) and Enki (the most powerful of Raizen's friends) are all around 1.5 million with Mukuro in a rage being 3 million.

I normally am not fond of doing this sort of scaling with numbered power levels but I am going to give this a go just for fun.

Beheaded Hill bust:

Low end = 400 Gigatons or 0.4 Teratons

High end = 1.6 Teratons

Three kings DC estimation:

Low end = 0.4 * 75 = 30 Teratons (60 Teratons for enraged Mukuro)

High end = 1.6 * 75 = 120 Teratons (240 Teratons for enraged Mukuro)

Prime Raizen DC estimation (power level of 20 million supposedly):

Low end = 0.4 * 1000 = 400 Teratons

High end = 1.6 * 1000 = 1600 Teratons or 1.6 Petatons


So that's country to large country level for the Three Kings plus Enki. Prime Raizen is large country to low end continent level. Absolutely nowhere near multi-continent.
 
I guess that is that for the one comment on the moon/planet upgrade before mine.


I made the assumption though that the manga stated that sensui had the power to destroy a country and he was given 6-B and the 75 x for that would be high 6-b and high 6-a range.


Then again, I havent visited Sensui's profile in a while.
 
Cuz if the numbers you gave is correct, then that means the 6-B in his profile needs to be downgraded.


Low 6-B even would be generous if you give him the high end number, since that is Large Island level or High 6-C if you give him low end number.


Edit: I am not a math guy btw, so I am honestly just gonna give the calc the benefit of the doubt and plead ignorance.Bump on the light speed reaction time?
 
Kkapoios said:
1.Mirrors aren't sivler, they are green since they absorb it a bit less than other wavelengths.
2.For this feat to be accepted as lightspeed you have to prove that the techniques function and behave the same way light does.We have a relevant page here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Laser/Light_Beam_Dodging_Feats
You may be incorrect actually. The Forlorn Hope actually broke rather than absorbing the energy. Maybe it isn't the type of mirror you'd expect but the energy was transferred in breaking the mirror and lost wave speed. So the initial speed of the beam would have been slower after rebounding.
 
Soldier Blue said:
Sensui's Beheaded Hill busting feat I believe is 400 Gigatons to at best 1.6 Teratons. Sensui had a power level of 20,000 while the Three Kings (Raizen, Yomi, Mukuro) and Enki (the most powerful of Raizen's friends) are all around 1.5 million with Mukuro in a rage being 3 million.
I normally am not fond of doing this sort of scaling with numbered power levels but I am going to give this a go just for fun.

Beheaded Hill bust:

Low end = 400 Gigatons or 0.4 Teratons

High end = 1.6 Teratons

Three kings DC estimation:

Low end = 0.4 * 75 = 30 Teratons (60 Teratons for enraged Mukuro)

High end = 1.6 * 75 = 120 Teratons (240 Teratons for enraged Mukuro)

Prime Raizen DC estimation (power level of 20 million supposedly):

Low end = 0.4 * 1000 = 400 Teratons

High end = 1.6 * 1000 = 1600 Teratons or 1.6 Petatons


So that's country to large country level for the Three Kings plus Enki. Prime Raizen is large country to low end continent level. Absolutely nowhere near multi-continent.
I understanding you, but yu are forgeting some points:

1. The Hillis in Makai that are so Much resistant than Earth, The prove is that the earth can't be fine with 1/5 of Sensui's energy (20000 PL) but All energy of All RAizen's Friends(Millons PL) did'nt make nothing in Makai.

2. Sensui makes a earthquake and will destroy whole Japan (377972 km 2) just with 1/5 off his energy, All hiis energy (377972 x 5 = 1889860 Km2 ) Big Country Lvl for Sensui.

3. Sensui is a Low S class with 20.000 PL, YYH top tiers are in turn of 1.500,000 PL, or 75 times more powerfull than Sensui, 75 times Big Country lvl = multi continent to Moon lvl
 
Other thing, Bleach characters for example never show nothing near Moon level, but in Ichigo profile have thiis. YYH have some feats, powerscalling, quotes, calcs that put him in Moon to lanet level and nothin is acceptable
 
Mukuramy said:
Other thing, Bleach characters for example never show nothing near Moon level, but in Ichigo profile have thiis. YYH have some feats, powerscalling, quotes, calcs that put him in Moon to lanet level and nothin is acceptable
Please don't derail this by complaining about a another verses ratings, also check the thread that was used to upgraded the ichigo and stop being so ignorant about plz....
 
Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
Mukuramy said:
Other thing, Bleach characters for example never show nothing near Moon level, but in Ichigo profile have thiis. YYH have some feats, powerscalling, quotes, calcs that put him in Moon to lanet level and nothin is acceptable
Please don't derail this by complaining about a another verses ratings, also check the thread that was used to upgraded the ichigo and stop being so ignorant about plz....
I just asked a question, Because I see different ways to evaluete. If you can't deal with my question, you can't live in real world
 
1. We don't know how much more durable than Earth the Demon World is. All we know is that it can take the battle auras of country busters without experiencing quakes. It is impossible to quantify how much more durable it is (especially so since Demon World is stated to be an endless plain and not a normal planet).

2. Sensui did not generate a quake that could destroy Japan. The tremor his sacred energy aura was generating was not even felt a few kilometres away by Botan. A quake was generated only when Sensui's sacred energy aura clashed with a defensive spell from Koenma's pacifier thing (which itself has energy comparable to S-class beings). Furthermore, the quake they generated was dismissed as a mild tremor by citizens in Mushiyori city. I would hardly call a quake which normal humans would dismiss as a mild tremor a country destroying event.

http://i.imgur.com/lyIxRSX.png

3. Even if you consider the 50 Teraton figure for Japan's destruction and assume Sensui is at such a level, you still end up with the strongest upper S-class beings in YYH at continent level (50 Petatons) and nowhere near multi-continent. And even then, it is by numbers scaling only which is not exactly sound.
 
Mukuramy said:
Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
Mukuramy said:
Other thing, Bleach characters for example never show nothing near Moon level, but in Ichigo profile have thiis. YYH have some feats, powerscalling, quotes, calcs that put him in Moon to lanet level and nothin is acceptable
Please don't derail this by complaining about a another verses ratings, also check the thread that was used to upgraded the ichigo and stop being so ignorant about plz....
I just asked a question, Because I see different ways to evaluete. If you can't deal with my question, you can't live in real world
What question was asked in that sentence at all? All i saw was you complaining about a totally different verses that has nothing to do with this thread....... And please tone down your attitiude, there was no need for that at all.....
 
@Mukuramy

Unlike YYH, Bleach actually does have a handful of country level stuff, a continent level feat, and even a moon level one. Yhwach was even going to destroy the four realms and recreate them in his own image. Don't derail this thread by complaining about another verse whose feats and calcs for those feats you don't seem to have checked out.
 
Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
Mukuramy said:
Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:
Mukuramy said:
Other thing, Bleach characters for example never show nothing near Moon level, but in Ichigo profile have thiis. YYH have some feats, powerscalling, quotes, calcs that put him in Moon to lanet level and nothin is acceptable
Please don't derail this by complaining about a another verses ratings, also check the thread that was used to upgraded the ichigo and stop being so ignorant about plz....
I just asked a question, Because I see different ways to evaluete. If you can't deal with my question, you can't live in real world
What question was asked in that sentence at all? All i saw was you complaining about a totally different verses that has nothing to do with this thread....... And please tone down your attitiude, there was no need for that at all.....
Ok sorry, I make a mistake with the word "Ignorant" here and understand other thing, sorry for it
 
I agree with some points here, but others not.

I think Yu Yu Hakusho needs some upgrades and some powers be add in his profile, like Soul rip resistance (Toguro was soul rip a lot of people in Dark Tournament).

Sensui had destroied literally the materia around him:


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with just 1/5 of his power, you can se the rocks been destroied by de energy, Things like that did'nt happen in Demon World.

In the battle in Makai, Yu Yu Hakusho have some feats in Country level:


Q6YgSUN


Thats the tree used in Makai tournament, is so big, even with the Makei been Vast superior then Earth in size we can se the planet curvature. And was needed make a especial dimensional barrier for the battle:

Barrier


and this is the result of battles:

Result


In other perspective the tree is so great that it is above then clouds:

3290663-yuske vs yomi chapter 19 (1)


Koema Talking about Other worlds:

Koema


And just for a bônus, Yusuke blitz and one shot 43 demons in Sensui's Level:

Yusuke attacks


All this can prove that Yu Yu Hakusho characters need a Upgrade, I think.
 
@Green Brother

Yeah some of the characters need some profile changes. Toguro was casually soul ******* with his aura alone.

And to Toguro's durability we should add:

(Regenerationn makes him difficult to kill)

Genkai blasted his entire left shoulder off and he regenerated the destroyed portion in a second or two which is bloody impressive. Even Genkai noted that "he mends himself quick".


Curvature stuff should not be applied to the Demon world. It was stated to be an endless plane and is unlikely to be a normal planet. I don't know what to say about that curvature there.

As for those Okunen trees (that's what they're called), they've already been estimated at well over 40 km across (and probably just as high up). So they're the size of large islands.

S-class demons exerting their auras over a 40+ km wide region and hundreds of kilometres into the sky. That is definitely a country level feat right there. But it means nothing in the end since S-class beings are already rated at country level.

I think that feat has already been calc'ed. Casually MHS Yusuke.
 
@Green Brother, I a very big YYH's Fan, And I confess I had some fear of upgrades, but their evidence seem very concrete. Yes, YYH needs updates.
 
I feel as though the lightspeed and moon-planet level upgrades are kind of outlier/hyperbolish imo. Those light attacks just have light in their name. If we took every attack that has light in it at face value then Naruto characters and many pokemon would be lightspeed. Plus we cannot really use power levels to judge stats here. It is the same issue with early DBZ.

To put it short I disagree with these upgrades.
 
@Soldier Blue, Koema said the Demon World Is a planet immense when compared with Earth, I think his word can be real cause he is one of the of entities that govern The Spiritual world. I Believe this thing "Makai is infinite" is just a legend cause it is so Great.

In that case, when you combine the Trees with the planet curvature, the trees prove to be much larger than originally we thought. And other thing, The energy is Just in the tree cause of Barrier, You can see de energy up several kilometers

edit: and the feat of Yusuke I put thinking in His destruction power, not just speed, but Thanks for the awser
 
At least LS Reaction, With MHS to MHS+ moviment speed for me. YYH character reacted a photons reflected by a mirror, a energy + a real lightning. Yusuke fly in few seconds for the space when he is a Phanton.
 
Wait did the shoulder include the arm as well? because this is what the regen page says.


Low-Mid: Able to regenerate limbs/fatal wounds. Still die from decapitatio
 
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