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Super Shenron upgrade

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So according to Goku Black himself, he used the Super Dragon Balls in order to steal the mind and body of Goku. As a result, I think it would be neccssary to upgrade Super Shenron as Goku Black is 3-A himself. Another possible reasoning could be that Zamasu's immortality POSSIBLY is at a multi-universe level due to Beerus' statement. In my opinion Super Shenron should be:

Tier: Likely 3-A (Swapped the minds and bodys of Zamasu and Goku), possibly 2-C (Zamasu's immortality possibly surpasses time and space due to Beerus' statement.)

I am not sure if the 2-C feat could be counted for, but 3-A sounds reasonable.

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NotEvenHuman said:
Swapping someone's mind for another one is mind hax and does not translate into AP.
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Well, I see where you're coming from. However, the Eternal Dragons seemingly can't effect those who's power exceeds that of their own.
 
The only way Super Shenron can be argued to be upgraded is by Beerus' statement where he assumed he could destroy the universe with the balls if he wished to. Super Shenon is not a combat character, his current stats come from his size (being multi-galactic)

Also you don't appear to be well verse on our tiering system, as the reasoning behind your proposals is ridiculous. Please read the follow pages before making a thread like this

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Acausality
 
Faisal Shourov said:
The only way Super Shenron can be argued to be upgraded is by Beerus' statement where he assumed he could destroy the universe with the balls if he wished to. Super Shenon is not a combat character, his current stats come from his size (being multi-galactic)
Also you don't appear to be well verse on our tiering system, as the reasoning behind your proposals is ridiculous. Please read the follow pages before making a thread like this

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tiering_System

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Acausality
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That was put so harshley :-: too the heart mate. :'(


Probably going to get a savage response from ya so just saying, my above comment is a joke i:
 
I'd say likely 3-A as beerus said he could destroy the universe if he wished it to.
 
Shouldn't he be at least universal? I just remembered that he was shaking two universes from being summoned, we havr him swallowing galaxies, his eye being bigger than galaxies, and combined with the fact that Beerus said he can wish for a universe to be destroyed, I don't see why we can't put him at universal.
 
If it has been stated that it is possible to wish for universal destruction, then I agree that 3-A is perfectly reasonable.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
But wouldnt it be 3-A via reality warping? Wishing a universe away doesnt seem to have anything to do with AP
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Well, reality warpers are listed at ratings when they haven't destroyed said object. I assume DC is simply the level of power they can exert, be it reality warping or physical blasts.
 
Actually no we speciifcally rate them if they did it without AP

For example, Yubel is rated as a solid 2-C being and thats only with using reality warping to fuse different universes together. Outside reality warping she's only 5-B
 
Well, perhaps "Likely 3-A via reality warping. At least 3-B via size alone" then?
 
Antvasima said:
Well, perhaps "Likely 3-A via reality warping. At least 3-B via size alone" then?
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Actually I would prefer if he stays 'At least 3-B', since Super Shenron can't use reality warping by himself and needs wish from another person. A 3-A character should be able to use his/her AP in combat by himself/herself, which Super Shenron can't in standard battle condition. Also he can only grant the 3-A wish only once (after which the balls disperse)
 
Faisal Shourov said:
Antvasima said:
Well, perhaps "Likely 3-A via reality warping. At least 3-B via size alone" then?
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Actually I would prefer if he stays 'At least 3-B', since Super Shenron can't use reality warping by himself and needs wish from another person. A 3-A character should be able to use his/her AP in combat by himself/herself, which Super Shenron can't in standard battle condition. Also he can only grant the 3-A wish only once (after which the balls disperse)
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If that's the case then what's the point in even upgrading him to 3-A? 3-B is jusified by his sheer size alone but as for his 3-A justification, it requires a wish from someone for him to even perform at all, (if they are even his allies). In other words, this would count as a sortve outside help prep. You wouldnt want his opponents his just take advantage of his wish granting and just wish his universe, or Super Shenron himself, away right?

Unless he gets outside help to grant the wish in time (if possible), I dont even see how his 3-A rating can be useful in any battle here. Or even any of his abilities.
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
If that's the case then what's the point in even upgrading him to 3-A? 3-B is jusified by his sheer size alone but as for his 3-A justification, it requires a wish from someone for him to even perform at all, (if they are even his allies). In other words, this would count as a sortve outside help prep. You wouldnt want his opponents his just take advantage of his wish granting and just wish his universe, or Super Shenron himself, away right?
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Unless he gets outside help to grant the wish in time (if possible), I dont even see how his 3-A rating can be useful in any battle here.

That's what I'm saying, he's completely useless in battle and his 3-A is only applicable if somebody else asks for wish. So At least 3-B is good enough. Super Shenron surely doesn't have 3-A AP in vs battle (which is what this wiki is)

So I disagree with the upgrade.
 
Oh my bad lol. Then yea I disagree for similar reasons.

To be perfectly honest wouldn't all of Super Shenron's abilities be useless in battle then, like his Reality Warping? He wouldnt be capable of doing anything without someone there to wish for it, so whats even the point of him having abilities here?
 
Anime4Life2020 said:
Oh my bad lol. Then yea I disagree for similar reasons.
To be perfectly honest wouldn't all of Super Shenron's abilities be useless in battle then, like his Reality Warping? He wouldnt be capable of doing anything without someone there to wish for it, so whats even the point of him having abilities here?
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Well since he can at least do 3-B damage physically because of size, then it's no harm to include his ability (which is what he can do, even if it's not applicable in combat). But his abilities are indeed useless in combat and unlike items such as Infinite Gaunltet in Marvel, the Super Dragon Balls are not combat tools since you can only grant one wish and you also need to know language of the gods to even summon the dragon. Given the vast limitation, 3-A upgrade is impossible. We could write a note that he can't use his reality warping ability for vs battles
 
Faisal Shourov said:
Anime4Life2020 said:
Oh my bad lol. Then yea I disagree for similar reasons.
To be perfectly honest wouldn't all of Super Shenron's abilities be useless in battle then, like his Reality Warping? He wouldnt be capable of doing anything without someone there to wish for it, so whats even the point of him having abilities here?
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Well since he can at least do 3-B damage physically because of size, then it's no harm to include his ability (which is what he can do, even if it's not applicable in combat). But his abilities are indeed useless in combat and unlike items such as Infinite Gaunltet in Marvel, the Super Dragon Balls are not combat tools since you can only grant one wish and you also need to know language of the gods to even summon the dragon. Given the vast limitation, 3-A upgrade is impossible. We could write a note that he can't use his reality warping ability for vs battles
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Yea, pretty much everything he has is useless (except his size) and unless a note like that is written there's no point in listing abilities for him if he cant even use them without assistance.
 
Bump

I was wondering. In Dragon Ball the term "World" is used to describe a timeline. Example

Whis: "If the omni king wanted to, he could erase the whole world"

Omni king: "A world like this..."

World is clearly stated to be the timeline and not just a universe

When talking to Bulma prior to the tournament, Beerus said that he could wish for the "World" to come to an end. Would this give super shenron "Possibly low 2-C Via wish granting"
 
Possibly, yes, but it is likely too vague. Also, we will likely start a revision project for tiers 3-A and Low 2-C in the coming months.
 
No. Too vague.

Super Shenron's 3-A. For now, that's all he'll be.
 
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