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reinhard vs rimuru

Bill faced Discord, that's what I thought you meant.

I don't think Discord can handle the Mind Manip any better that Bill really could unless Luna can affect a wider amount of people with her Mind Manip.
 
PlozAlcachaz said:
Bill faced Discord, that's what I thought you meant.
I don't think Discord can handle the Mind Manip any better that Bill really could unless Luna can affect a wider amount of people with her Mind Manip.
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i can cange to rimuru High 7-A
 
Mfw I thought this Rein would have a hard time with some other characters since he isn't as busted and now realizing he is still stomping others

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I wasn't expecting this
 
Reinhard's Spear mind haxes one again, and no Rimuru's "Immunity" won't protect him.
 
Everything12 said:
Reinhard's Spear mind haxes one again, and no Rimuru's "Immunity" won't protect him.
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im pretty sure that the spear of reinhard is pretty weak in this key also can be dodged and tanked
 
Yeah but the mind hax potentcy was actually displayed by the sealed key so its still as good.
 
This key honestly feels somewhat arbitrary and not well defined. Sealed Reinhard but by how many Swastika? 1 opened? 2 opened? 6 opened? Never mind the difference between each opened Swastika itself isn't defined that clearly. We know that his lance doesn't behave the way it's supposed to and it's weaker, but to what extent? His hax isn't as strong, but to what extent? So on and so forth

Schreiber at 6 Swastika opened is around 60%-80% (i forgot the exact percentage) of his normal strength, if we apply this to Reinhard's AP which has a calced numerical value it'd still be way above 7-A because a 60%-80% of 2.242635e+99 joules is still 1.345581e+99 - 1.794108e+99 joules

Don't really see how this key can even work properly tbh
 
Honestly if we were to have thkey, either the stage Reinhard was in at the bridge or the stage he was in at the end of Kei's route is best, as they are the only times he shows off his abilities in battle while restricted.
 
The thing is, with 7 swastikas open he failed to kill Ren, Shirou and Kei during their last battle, that's why I put it 7-A by scaling to the commanders as for the hax, well, everything that is smurffy offensively speaking is a no-no in this key and everything else is a fair game as they don't really seem affected by the swastikas.
 
Tony di bugalu said:
The thing is, with 7 swastikas open he failed to kill Ren, Shirou and Kei during their last battle, that's why I put it 7-A by scaling to the commanders as for the hax, well, everything that is smurffy offensively speaking is a no-no in this key and everything else is a fair game as they don't really seem affected by the swastikas.
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That still doesn't address the main issue that the key is pretty **** arbitrary. He didn't kill the main cast precisely because he didn't even try to do it. You're taking "He failed to kill the main cast" way too liberally here. His bout with Kei before Karl interfere through Marie had him stomping Kei without even standing up from his Throne and he spent what's essentially amount to a single strand of his hair. Kei & Ren fight had Reinhard literally touching Ren on his stomach as gentle as a man petting his cat while he only glared at Kei. Shirou's intervention had the trio solely focusing on Karl while Reinhard was being all grumpy and as it turns out, Shirou's intervention was something that Karl told Shirou to do in the first place. Karl entrusting the seat of Viriditas to Kasumi as a replacement for Rea which let her interfere directly with Gladsheimr, further screwing with it on top of Scherzo severely weakening it. And many other factors in play which are all essentially Karl's machinations

Arguing "Reinhard fails to kill them" also doesn't take into account that he was being severely weakened by Ren's newfound craving to deny the dead, it was all Karl's machinations to begin with, and that Reinhard was still trying to get an enjoyment out of their struggle by not taking them all that seriously. By that point, his key might as well be "sealed Reinhard while being severely gimped by Scherzo playing around" rather than just "sealed Reinhard"

Even if you handwave all that away and scale him to the Commander as if there's no issue with it. Scaling Reinhard on his sealed state also wouldn't put him that solidly on 7-A in the first place because the Commanders, much like Reinhard's own rating, has a calced numerical value attached to their AP through Wilhelm breaking through Methuselah's ball with his fist. A fraction of that would still be way above 7-A

And that's solely an issue with his AP on his supposedly sealed state. His hax is still muddled and badly defined. We knew his lance doesn't work the way it's supposed to but there's no real benchmark to gauge how bad his other hax is influenced as he was still able to utilize his Beri'ah flawlessly he just can't resurrect a Commander tier soul because Karl was holding them down out of his promise with Beatrice. By that point, a restriction applied to what power would just be arbitrary because, again, there's no actual benchmark to work on

This key is pretty problematic and poorly defined that i don't see it being usable in a match properly due to this being a thing
 
Did you not read what i wrote? The problem with this particular key isn't finding some arbitrary suitable opponent. It's the key itself being poorly defined
 
EMS-TC02 Phantom said:
Did you not read what i wrote? The problem with this particular key isn't finding some arbitrary suitable opponent. It's the key itself being poorly defined
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No, i don't have the slight interest in reading your wall of text.
 
Then simply don't post anything regarding this particular key of Reinhard or attempting to make a thread using it as it won't even come close to fixing the fundamental issues this key has. You clearly aren't even familiar with either the key or the issues it has and you just confirm you're not even trying to with your latest post
 
kinda failed at that then, they clearly forgot the op mind hax that deals most loses come from his restricted state
 
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