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Baki Hanma vs Ryuji Sakamoto

Well no doubt Baki wrecks Ryuji in CQC skill. What's Baki's AP like? Iirc Ryuji is actually supposed to scale to a High 7-C feat, so this might be an AP stomp if Baki can't handle that difference in AP.
 
What's the Calc? If the gap is too high we can start Baki in Demon Back form I guess
 
All I know for sure is that Ryuji scales to defeating Shadow Kaneshiro, who recreated all of Shibuya, which would put him at Large Town level+.
 
Ooooof

Okay Imma wait for some Baki experts to come in and comment on this, we mayyyy need to swap in Yujiro. That said if Demon Back Baki can close the gap enough we might have a shot here, after all Baki's got things like 0.5, endorphins etc
 
Actually, correction to my earlier statement. Ryuji scales to about 2.5x baseline High 7-C, so he'd just be Large Town level, not Large Town level+.
 
Okay so I'm crap at maths, if Ryuji is 2.5x above baseline he's 200 smth KT so that's looking to be a noteworthy gap even with Baki starting in DB. Granted Baki's got things like 0.5, he could negate durability by slapping Ryuji's skin and has endorphins and that but I'm not sure. What does everyone think?
 
Stillwinston said:
Okay so I'm crap at maths, if Ryuji is 2.5x above baseline he's 200 smth KT so that's looking to be a noteworthy gap even with Baki starting in DB. Granted Baki's got things like 0.5, he could negate durability by slapping Ryuji's skin and has endorphins and that but I'm not sure. What does everyone think?
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AP gap is only 3-4x, so it's doable as far as AP goes. 0.5 only works if he's got a normal human brain. If he does, it basically acts as a pseudo speed amp. Baki doesn't actually become faster, but he can skip his own reactionary phase to hit first against some faster opponents (the cap is the speed difference between Yujiro and Baki), and while we could see some use of Benda, I'm not sure if Ryuji is strong enough to warrant it. Remember, in terms of strength and durability, Yujiro could twoshot Baki if he used his true power (assuming a base to base or Demon Back to Demon Back fight). Endorphins might be useful here, since they basically stop Baki from feeling pain, instead getting a "good feeling".

I think this is okay to do as long as Baki is in Demon Back. Baki without Demon Back gets stomped with the AP gap being 13x
 
Alright chief we're starting Baki in Demon Back for this let's see how it goes, well I guess 0.5 should work considering Ryuji is meant to be a normal Japanese kid Phantom Thief stuff notwithstanding.
 
What stops Ryuji and his thought-based lightning AOEs, that come from a soon to be AE Type 1, and similarly attack the mind and soul?
 
Oh dear >_>

Well I wanna say Baki has a shot at incapping or yeeting, can 0.5 work before someone can think?

If this doesn't work out I've got other ideas I guess
 
Persona's attack independently of their user, so even if 0.5 was used, he'd still have to deal with Captain Kidd, who he can't even hit.
 
Stillwinston said:
Sigh
Alright, how about Geralt (Soul Calibur)?
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Hanayama fought normal Geralt and lost due to lack of skill, so Baki might be a refreshing pace of events
 
Well according to Milly Baki can't do jack here. So if Persona attacks can affect the mind and soul what's the potency? Cause Geralt can resist both at least
 
Persona attacks don't normally affect souls, but ailments do. If Baki can tank electricity well enough to fight back, then the match is possible, but Ryuji still wins pretty decisively with Headbutt and Bad Beat.

Headbutt makes Baki forget all of his skills while Bad Beat inflicts despair, causing him to kill himself.
 
So I guess I have 3 questions: Is his lightning physical damage (if not, what does it affect), how is Headbutt used, and how is Bad Beat used?
 
Lightning is... Well, lightning attack (electricity). Headbutt and bad beat need physical contact to affect something, even then the odds are not that great.

With speed equal, Baki should be able to easily dodge all those skills via analytical prediction.
 
Solacis said:
Persona attacks don't normally affect souls, but ailments do. If Baki can tank electricity well enough to fight back, then the match is possible, but Ryuji still wins pretty decisively with Headbutt and Bad Beat.
Headbutt makes Baki forget all of his skills while Bad Beat inflicts despair, causing him to kill himself.
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it takes like 5 turns for them to die from Despair.
 
Solacis said:
Persona attacks don't normally affect souls, but ailments do. If Baki can tank electricity well enough to fight back, then the match is possible, but Ryuji still wins pretty decisively with Headbutt and Bad Beat.
Headbutt makes Baki forget all of his skills while Bad Beat inflicts despair, causing him to kill himself.
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what stops Baki from beating the shit out of him in the few turns?
 
Eganergo said:
Lightning is... Well, lightning attack (electricity). Headbutt and bad beat need physical contact to affect something, even then the odds are not that great.
With speed equal, Baki should be able to easily dodge all those skills via analytical prediction.
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Okay, if it takes 5 turns to despair kill and Baki can dodge Bad Beat and Headbutt, I'd go Baki for skill and variety of CQC options
 
BakiHanma18 said:
Eganergo said:
Lightning is... Well, lightning attack (electricity). Headbutt and bad beat need physical contact to affect something, even then the odds are not that great.
With speed equal, Baki should be able to easily dodge all those skills via analytical prediction.
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Okay, if it takes 5 turns to despair kill and Baki can dodge Bad Beat and Headbutt, I'd go Baki for skill and variety of CQC options
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In the game at least, and Despair isn't guranteed to affect them its a chance
 
BakiHanma18 said:
Eganergo said:
Lightning is... Well, lightning attack (electricity). Headbutt and bad beat need physical contact to affect something, even then the odds are not that great.
With speed equal, Baki should be able to easily dodge all those skills via analytical prediction.
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Okay, if it takes 5 turns to despair kill and Baki can dodge Bad Beat and Headbutt, I'd go Baki for skill and variety of CQC options
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Medium Physical damage and inflict Despair (low odds) to all foes.
 
BakiHanma18 said:
Eganergo said:
Lightning is... Well, lightning attack (electricity). Headbutt and bad beat need physical contact to affect something, even then the odds are not that great.
With speed equal, Baki should be able to easily dodge all those skills via analytical prediction.
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Okay, if it takes 5 turns to despair kill and Baki can dodge Bad Beat and Headbutt, I'd go Baki for skill and variety of CQC options
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Despair: Disables action, loses some SP each turn and renders unconscious after 3 turns.

  • Despair does not wear off itself, unlike the rest of the ailments.
 
If that still applies, I'll go with Baki. Even without the Despair KO, Baki can still IA Bad Beat and Headbutt
 
Obscenly said:
BakiHanma18 said:
Eganergo said:
Lightning is... Well, lightning attack (electricity). Headbutt and bad beat need physical contact to affect something, even then the odds are not that great.
With speed equal, Baki should be able to easily dodge all those skills via analytical prediction.
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Okay, if it takes 5 turns to despair kill and Baki can dodge Bad Beat and Headbutt, I'd go Baki for skill and variety of CQC options
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Medium Physical damage and inflict Despair (low odds) to all foes.
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Despair is on contact, low odds is just game mechanics.
 
It is an AOE attack, so unless he can dodge that then he is getting hit. His willpower seems unimportant, he has no resistance to empathic manipulation. Even so, thought-based lightning AOEs say hi.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
It is an AOE attack, so unless he can dodge that then he is getting hit. His willpower seems unimportant, he has no resistance to empathic manipulation. Even so, thought-based lightning AOEs say hi.
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Pretty sure Baki scales to a Yujiro that dodges lightning.
 
Obscenly said:
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
It is an AOE attack, so unless he can dodge that then he is getting hit. His willpower seems unimportant, he has no resistance to empathic manipulation. Even so, thought-based lightning AOEs say hi.
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Pretty sure Baki scales to a Yujiro that dodges lightning.
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Dodging lightning is different from dodging lightning AOEs, that can spawn where you are.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Obscenly said:
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
It is an AOE attack, so unless he can dodge that then he is getting hit. His willpower seems unimportant, he has no resistance to empathic manipulation. Even so, thought-based lightning AOEs say hi.
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Pretty sure Baki scales to a Yujiro that dodges lightning.
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Dodging lightning is different from dodging lightning AOEs, that can spawn where you are.
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Lmao, His willpower projection can bring him back to life, due to how extreme it is, it's happened twice in the series iirc
 
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