Eden_Warlock99
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In his profile it states he took the Full power of Darth Sidious, that's 4-B, not 5-B
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Then it shouldn't be in his profileThe Wright Way said:Vader isn't tier 4. This has been discussed so many times that there's literally a rule about it. I'm not about to have this argument again. Vader scaling to Sidious is an outlier. Period.
All arguments against that I can recall are that he is much weaker than Sidious but you can be much weaker than Sidious and still be 4B, Sids is way above baseline.The Wright Way said:It's also evidence that the argument has been refuted constantly and people are sick of hearing about it.
Statements used to scale Vader to Sidious claim he's 80% of Sidious. 20% AP gap is not nearly enough to stomp Vader-level characters like Palps does.LordWhis said:Again Sidious is WAAAY above baseline.
Also, he was cheap-shotted by Galen the second time and was not going all out against Luke because he was his son (IIRC it's even said he was holding back in one of the novels) also lightsabers ignore durability, 5B Anakin was able to cut off 4B Windu's hand with one.
I'm fine with TFA 1 Vader being 5B but he should honestly still somewhat scale via Dooku not getting lolwutstomped and reduced to atoms by Yoda in a nanosecond.
1. No. Most people readily accept that Sidious beats Vader.LordWhis said:I do think that our current gap between the top tiers and the god tiers is way too big.
Vader vs Sidious is the only fight (except maybe Akainu vs WB) in which the winner is considered by much of the fandom to be the weaker characer.
@wright: there is no fixed ap gap that makes a fight a stomp, Tyson Fury stomped Deontay Wilder while having less AP than him.
Vader tossed Sidious over a railing and then died. I'd hardly call that a straight win.LordWhis said:Except it was Vader who beat Sidious.
"This gap is strictly for versus debating purposes, and will not apply when attempting to derive the attack potency of a character based on a feat of one-shotting another character in his or her verse."
wasn't that Pre-New Hope Vador?ZephyrosOmega said:Starkiller beat Vader within an inch of his life then got one-shot by Sidious
just saying
Adem Warlock69 said:there's some dooku stuff like Yoda expressing some difficulty at reflecting his lightning, despite being stronger.
and this
Furthermore, Count Dooku himself had to be watched. It was in the nature of the Sith Rule of Two that the apprentice would seek to eventually overthrow their master, and Dooku's powers grew noticeably during the Clone Wars. Palpatine didn't just have to protect the Sith plan - he also had to protect himself.