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Featherine Augustus Aurora VS Elder God Demonbane

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Probably a tie. Or at least it is impossible for us to discern the difference at this level of power.
 
I don´t know anything about Demonbane, but I agree, that beings with that level of power are hard to impossible to rank between each other. But comparing just the profiles I would say Featherine is more likely to win, because of the speed difference. Is demonbane really limited to linear time and its concepts of speed, like the Massively FTL in his profile would suggest? Given his power a speed of 100-1000c seems awfully slow.

Edit: I just noticed I had the wrong Demonbane profile. Ignore what I said considering the battle.
 
Concept of speed is less than nothing to both of them (and to most of tier 1 characters) lol

Low levels in DMB ignores concept of time/distance.
 
Hmm. It seems like the Demonbane profiles need updates. I admittedly spent too little time converting then to the new system. Help to copy from the Anime Characters Fight wiki would be appreciated.
 
Gotta go Demonbane, for this one. While it's nearly impossible to actually find a solid way to discern the power difference between characters in this tier, I'm going with DB due to how casually it beat down Nyarlathotep. While Nyarlathotep is likely slightly weaker than Featherine, I'm going to say that Demonbane's ludicrously simple victory over a character in that tier is a decent reason for my thoughts that it'd claim victory in relatively easily/with moderate difficulty. It's not that Featherine isn't impressive, because she's certainly one of the most impressive non-omnis in fiction, but she's just...nothing Demonbane hasn't seen before.

Oh yeah, plus, doesn't Demonbane have like...a weapon that houses sleeping Azathoth in it? Because if that's true, yeah, he most definitely takes this.
 
Featherine is just one step short of being a level 0. The ACF ranks them as being of equal power. Saying with supposed certainty that one of them is stronger than the other just boils down to personal bias.
 
Yeah, I understand. The problem being that besides murdering Lambda just by writing "Lambdadelta dies" and being a witch on the path of the creator, I don't have much to go by with Featherine. Everything she's displayed is basically what I believe a Nyarlathotep-like being could do, so it's incredibly hard to get an actual grasp on her power. All I have are a few reasons to believe Demonbane pulls out a victory and not much else. I don't want to tell anyone they're wrong in thinking Featherine would win, I just don't based on their comparative showings. I never intend my opinions to be some kind of all-consuming thought monster that must destroy and replace everyone else's. I'm just going by gut feeling and what I know.
 
Well, you could read the explanation of how the Umineko world works over at the "Verse" page for the series. According to DarkLK, the levels of infinity increase an infinite number of times up to the realm of the Creator, in which all beings merge with it. Featherine touched the final boundary, and barely escaped losing her own identity. The only being above her, is the level 0 Creator itself, which is on a level with Demonbane's Azathoth.
 
You are correct of course. We don't really know enough about the specifics to make any judgements.
 
Antvasima said:
Well, you could read the explanation of how the Umineko world works over at the "Verse" page for the series. According to DarkLK, the levels of infinity increase an infinite number of times up to the realm of the Creator, in which all beings merge with it. Featherine touched the final boundary, and barely escaped losing her own identity. The only being above her, is the level 0 Creator itself, which is on a level with Demonbane's Azathoth.
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Oh yes, I'm aware. I've read a bit of Umineko, though I really do need to get my hands on the rest of it. To me, it was just one of those things of just falling short of that ultimate power. Since Featherine grazed the boundary but didn't actually merge with the creator, it allowed her to keep the elements that make her far more human. Obviously, she's absurdly powerful, but in keeping her sense of self over "enlightenment", she's not all that she could be. Of course, Demonbane chooses to throw all this out the window with the ultimate god-slaying creature being a giant robot with guns that are actually Great Old Ones, but hey, it did have some pretty nice feats. Honestly I was just worried that if they both went all out, it would turn into an endless cycle of

"Demonbane stopped existing"

"There was a Demonbane that decided to keep existing"

or something of that sort until the metaverse just imploded.

So all I could really go off of was feats, which, to be perfectly fair to Featherine, she's not really meant to have a plethora of in order to show her true power.
 
Exactly. I suppose that's why the only feat I really considered important was Demonbane punking someone in his tier with a glance (it was something like that, wasn't it?). Although if Lambda had been right next to Featherine in power, Featherine killing her would be even more impressive because it would show how irrelevant power is once you hit this level (to a greater extent, of course).
 
Well, that is what I mean. If a character is explained to be of a much higher tier than the surrounding characters and setting, then destroying all of it at once does not accurately convey the character's full scale of power.
 
It's part of what makes vouching for an omnipotent character so difficult unless the character is directly stated or heavily implied to be omnipotent, I suppose. Once you get to THAT level of power, it becomes a whole different can of worms.
 
Since omnipotence cannot be proven and is relative to the setting, I am thinking about removing all such descriptions altogether from this wiki, and replacing the category with "Supreme Beings" instead.
 
That could be a wise decision. I mean, it would certainly make things easier for categorizing. Then again, perhaps it would become another catalyst for more debates that go nowhere, as someone could say...debate Kami Tenchi and The Presence without the preventative statement of "omnipotent vs. omnipotent goes nowhere". Then again, I'm not an admin, nor a veteran, so this is nothing more than my two cents.
 
Azathoth The Almighty Idiot said:
Although if Lambda had been right next to Featherine in power
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- The first stage - ordinary people

- The second stage - creatures which can move multidimensional universes with their hands

- The third stage - Lambda and Featherine's manifestation (she beat Lambda)

- ...

- Endless hierarchy

- ...

- Featherine

Something like that
 
DarkLK said:
Azathoth The Almighty Idiot said:
Although if Lambda had been right next to Featherine in power
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- The first stage - ordinary people
- The second stage - creatures which can move multidimensional universes with their hands

- The third stage - Lambda and Featherine's manifestation (she beat Lambda)

- ...

- Endless hierarchy

- ...

- Featherine

Something like that
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That part always confused me a bit. Was Featherine's manifestation in the City of Books fully/mostly cut of from the rest of her power (like an M-Body or Darkseid avatar or whatever), or was it just her way of interacting with someone on such a lower level?
 
As far as I understand, it was a distant shadow of her true self, which exists an infinite number of levels of infinity above Lambdadelta.
 
"... strength measured by the height of the world that they can reach"┬®Narrator

CoB Lambda and Featherine existed at the same level. But it was clearly states that there is an infinite ladder above Lambda.

But all this below Featherine.

Yes they use manifestations in lower layers. Golden Land Lambda may have problems with Theory Goats, but CoB Lambda can casually destroy many worlds larger than Umineko / Golden Land. Willard met Bern in episode 7, but higher layer Bern held the whole world in her hand, and Willard was only a piece on the board to her.
 
With regard to this topic, I think that they probably will not be able to destroy each other.
 
Wow didn't think that this would get so many comments.

@ DarkLK: Well would it be a contest of who can strike first instead. Nigh-Omnipotents like EGD and Featherine are only second to a true omnipotent so they can practically destroy anything below them. So they intern should be able to destroy instantly each other. I would simply be a who strikes first thing.

If my earlier argument is wrong then I give my vote to Featherine just cuz she's the no. 2 in all of Umineko while I believe EGD couldn't exactly beat Yog-Sothoth. So he isn't exactly the no. 2 of Demonbane
 
They are beings above concepts of life/death/possibility/causality/existence/nonexistence with Divine levels of immortality and Regenerationn. Too abstract to consider the option of One Hit Kill.
 
I believe Lambdadelta was above concepts of life/death/possibility/causality/existence/nonexistence with Divine levels of immortality and Regenerationn as well. She still got one hit killed by Featherine while tipsy from alcohoi I think. Which led to my thinking of the fight being more of a who strikes first kind of thing.
 
The same with Nya's avatars and any other high level god. SBD was able to oneshot such beings. Nevertheless, the system is designed so that the overall survival of creatures > their brute power. The gods are assumed as eternal binarity in the dreams of Azathoth. They seemed to be almost indestructible.
 
Ok that's a good point. But well who do ya think has a better chance of winning. Just in your opinion who has a better chance of winning.
 
I think I'm the only one here who is sufficiently aware about both DMB and WTC. And I do not think there are debates.
 
DarkLK is correct. None of the rest of us know enough about the franchises to make an informed statement.
 
@ DarkLK: That is a bold statement but I kinda agree. While I have adequate knowledge in Umineko I don't really know all that much about Demonbane. And I believe that most people who've argued here are the same. So I guess an eternal (or at least until people get board of it) argument between fans who like Umineko better and those who like Demonbane better then?.
 
On my wiki there are several people which know enough about both franchises at once. But there is no the eternal debates.

If you're talking about personal sympathy, I like WTC much more (one of the favorite fictions with some favorite characters).
 
Well that's to be expected as Anime Character Fight wiki is the older and superior in some cases wiki.

But I'm glad you like Umineko better.
 
Older? lol no VSB is older. Moreover, for example "Character Tiering" idea was borrowed from VSB.
 
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