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The Hound vs The Ruler

What are the characters
 
yes lol

who is the ruler
 
it is only on those considered gods (i.e., worshipped, represent some divine concept, etc)

who is the ruler
 
right

Kezef's main shtick is 2-A soul powers. Not just 2-A, but 2-A on a very, very, very high scale. The idea is that every plane of the multiverse in of itself has infinite variations of itself contained within it. Each layer of a plane is equal in size to the core plane (the Prime Material) and thus is also of this 2-A size. Some planes possess infinite planar layers (namely, the Abyss). There are infinite variations of this multiverse structure that comprise reality.

Kezef's soul destruction makes it so the creators of said reality can't do anything about it. He can affect nonexistent beings on Ruler here's level. He can neg Mid-Godly (soon to be High-Godly) and I don't think I see anything on Ruler's page that isn't resistable.
 
Aight cool. For examples on EE/Corruption...

the best EE one is on Kezef's own level, Ithyak-Ortheel.

the best Corruption one is probably some devil like Malkizid, the Branded King.

void manip is just a natural thing in Baator that any outsider can just sort of float in.
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Are his resistances smurfy? Like, 2-A?
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Yeah, anything past 6-C is smurfy to some extent in their hax. So yes, 4-D or whatever term we're calling it now.
 
Ain can erase in all points of time, Kezef was created/born with all those resistances? Btw, Ain's strongest attacks uses type 2 concepts to erase things, can Kezef still resists?
 
"Kezef was created/born with all those resistances?"

Yeah, most of this is just standard D&D stuff turned up to ten thousand. Like every creature in D&D can have resistance to ten thousand things, but the resistance becomes stronger as you go. Kezef is different in that he was just born as a god tier epic level creature.

"Btw, Ain's strongest attacks uses type 2 concepts to erase things, can Kezef still resists?"

Yes, everybody and their mother uses Type 2 in D&D. Example: Ygorl, Lord of Entropy, Zuggtmoy, the Lady of Rot, Sertrous, etc.
 
I mean

Just beating the dog to death?
 
Yeah, but Kezef has Low-Mid, while Ain has a useless Mid-Godly, cqc would not be good for Ain.
 
Ain's Mid-Godly can be combat applicable for as long as his mission is possible, he literally came back the moment Elsword could help him complete his mission, which made it possible . If thats Apostasia or Herrscher, then Henir himself is fuelling/sustaining him from this point.
 
I mean, Henir is worshipped as a god... so yeah, stomp. Kezef just nopes what Ain has. Even his base existence (in any of the paths) is considered divine and connected to some kind of god.
 
XDragnoir said:
Yeah, but Kezef has Low-Mid, while Ain has a useless Mid-Godly, cqc would not be good for Ain.
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True, but my point is that Ain can still kill him. I agree he won't really win, but still.

@Oblivion If we assume speed is equal we can just say Kezef starts incorporeal. Speed is then equalized for that form. It's like a 50/50 thing anyways.

@Schro Kezef's profile. Mid-Godly regen null.
 
Ain can't kill the damn thing unless he uses AP and etc. It's his only hope, which I doubt he could do before this thing nerf him into the ground due to him being "divine"
 
SchroKatze said:
Ain's Mid-Godly can be combat applicable for as long as his mission is possible, he literally came back the moment Elsword could help him complete his mission, which made it possible . If thats Apostasia or Herrscher, then Henir himself is fuelling/sustaining him from this point.
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After becoming Apostasia i don't remember if Henir gave him another mission, so we don't know if his allignment being changed from Ishmael to Henir is a new mission with a new immortality.
 
It's not his mission that supports him anymore, he gets rid of this weakness as Apostasia. Henir now fuels/maintains him now as the "ruler" for the Abyss
 
SchroKatze said:
It's not his mission that supports him anymore, he gets rid of this weakness as Apostasia. Henir now fuels/maintains him now as the "ruler" for the Abyss
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I don't think so, his lore clearly says he has embraced Henir's Chaos, what fuels him now is Henir's Realm, not Henir himself.
 
SchroKatze said:
Ain can't kill the damn thing unless he uses AP and etc. It's his only hope, which I doubt he could do before this thing nerf him into the ground due to him being "divine"
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I agree, but it isn't a stomp. Ain could just kill Kezef. Kezef just kills him first.

I'm voting Kezef, for the record.

This makes four votes for Kezef.
 
XDragnoir said:
SchroKatze said:
It's not his mission that supports him anymore, he gets rid of this weakness as Apostasia. Henir now fuels/maintains him now as the "ruler" for the Abyss
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I don't think so, his lore clearly says he has embraced Henir's Chaos, what fuels him now is Henir's Realm, not Henir himself.
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Herrcher is just Henir's power and realm as "someone", Apostasia is just that to a lesser degree. He already accepted the power and became a "vessel" for it, just not fully yet.
 
Yeah, a vessel for the power of chaos, not the god Henir, nothing in his lore say something about Henir being the one who maintein him alive.
 
After thinking about the matter, i agree, Ain can possibly have a type 8 and maybe even 5D hax, the 5D hax needs a CRT, but his 2A type 8 can be used now, can this make any changes to the match?
 
Having 2-A type 8 wouldn't change, no. That's a thing on creatures that aren't gods and Kezef would be able to kill them just fine.
 
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