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8-C Tournament Match 7 (Gazef Stronoff vs Jotaro Kujo)

All right assuming gazefs fully equiped he has a few advatages, his biggest? he can actually hit star platinum as he has non physical interaction.

While he can't see the stand Jotaro has no idea how dangerous gazefs sword is, gazef only needs to land a single decent swing on the stand to end this fight due to razors edge's dura neg, while gazef can't see the stand he can still touch/hit it due to his magical equipment.

gazef can also amp his speed using flow acceleration, full throttle, and pace of the wind and without prior knolwedge star platinum is liable to rush into melee to beat him down. From there I see gazef using his stat/speed amps to swing around himself in a wide arc. Add onto that his enhanced stamina and regen and I see him either managing to hit star platinum or reaching jotaro to end the fight.
 
Isn't his NPI for ghosts? That's not going to work here. Plus, Platinum is still invisible.

Jotaro is not going to let a fantasy looking enemy hit his stand with a sword, he'd just have it move around him. And Gazef wouldn't even swing his sword at the stand, so unless Jotarosends his stand into the sword it will just reach Gazeff several meters before he gets close enough to actually swing.

Like, Star Platinum rushing in doesn't mean it'll be hit, because as far as Gazef is concerned his enemy is still way ahead of him.
 
Him being hit by an invisible force will tell him he's theres an invisible enemy, while he won't see through it there are invisibility spells and complex illusion magic in overlord he's not exactly going to be incapable of understanding the situation

His non corporeal interaction is based on magical items being needed to strike intangible foes in overlord, it's not restricted to ghost. Why would his attacks fail here?

He Can just swing in massive arc and use four fold slash of light. While six fold is restricted he should be fine using the weaker variants. He also has a stamina and regen advantage, along with speed amps to let him close the distance between him and jotaro.
 
The pen or the sword said:
While he can't see the stand Jotaro has no idea how dangerous gazefs sword is, gazef only needs to land a single decent swing on the stand to end this fight due to razors edge's dura neg, while gazef can't see the stand he can still touch/hit it due to his magical equipment.
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Is Razor Edge's dura neg the kind that one shots stuff? I'm an anime only peasant, but it didn't look like that to me. Seemed more like a defense + resistance bypass (but not HP, so to say).
 
Firstly, what other type of intangibility is ever shown besides being like ghosts in Overlord? Anyways, there is a difference between a ghost, someone with elemental intangibility, or stands. Stands are more supposed to be manifested fighting spirits and what not. Being able to hit one kind of intangible doesn't translate to all kinds.

If Star Platinum gets to start beating him, he won't have much chance to just stab back. Any proper slash would need to move the sword in an arc, which would end in him being punched during the arc and falling. Doing a small, forward thrust would let Platinum to simply push the sword to it's side, or dodge with a minor cut to it's sides at best.

Swinging in a massive arc while dozens of punches are coming at you..? Balance is a thing, and it would get nonexistent physiology under thos instances. The moment he tries to ready his sword to be swun in an arc he would fall back. You can't properly position yourself for swinging while getting the dozens of punches dished in to you by someone equally strong to you.


His best bet would be to try and jump away from platinum, but even then he would have no idea when and in which direction to swing.
 
It's also at this moment that I realize Janus' death and fear hax relies on his enemy having no real knowledge of the larger world and that just about everyone on the list would have been fine with nothing more than being really scared...

Feels bad that I didn't nominate him...

Still, I'll be voting Jotaro for now.
 
Im going to need some reason behind jojos intangability being better then overlords intangablity. What makes it so much stronger then any other form? What makes it more potent? Beyond it's different because theyre fighting spirits?

He has speed amps to put distance between himself and star platinum and close the gap to jotaro, his amps give him a large speed advatage in this fight. He also has things like perfect counter/evasion to automatically correct his balance for him, and he has access to the lesser slashes of light to hit things at range.

Again he has a large stamina advatage alongside his regen to let him better deal with platinums onslaught. He also has a suit of armor that further strengthens his durability.

As for razors edge I brought it up in the general discussion, we'll need to wait on an answer to that one.

I do want to contuie but it's quite late atm, Ill be back later for further discussion.
 
That makes sense, If thats the case I have no idea if gazef can hit star platinum, to tired to look over the books again, Im pretty sure their was some other refrence to noncoporeal beings at some point but Im fried.

Gazef still holds a speed advantage due to his amps Ill be up to discuss this more later.
 
Because ghosts are a thing in Jojo, and they are not the same as stands. This is not about what is better, this is about two things being different. Hittng an immaterial, phasing, elemental and spatial intangible are both different things. So I would need proof of phasing intangibles other than ghosts in Overlord.

Don't pretty much all notably major amps need time to activate? Regardless, he still can't see him, and swinging around his sword aimlessly isn't going to help. And perfect counter and evesion would need proof to convince me that it can "correct" his balance and stop him from falling back after he gets hit withs a dozen fists in the face, each stronger and with type K lifting strenght.

Stamina doesn't matter here. This isn't going to be a hour long fight, he'll be being bashed in by an enemy that is invisible and can evade his attacks with relative ease. Regenerationn does help, somewhat, but isn't getting the win.


Another thing would be that Platinum could just... disarm him.
 
Like I said fair enough on the intang thing,

No he says the name of the amps and then they happen, flow acceleration, pace of the wind and full throttle will boost his speed massively. when clementine used flow acceleration against ainz it nearly looked like a time-slow, while gazef isn't quite that fast it should be more then enough for him to close the distance. He used perfect counter to restore his balance immediately being knocked off it but not sure how it will work against star platinum raining down fist.

Is star platinum first move de arming? Has he done so on something with gazefs level of dura? Further no prior knowledge, jotaro hears gazef shout flow acceleration and suddenly the guy in full armor is moving far faster then he should be.
 
What is his durability? The calc I find was accepted at 9-A+ and all, so I don't think you can argue for that high a tier. Jotaro being 8-C+, I assumed he was stronger and all.

I'm also not sure about a win relying on the slower character being faster with an amp.

It hasn't gone against many enemies who use weapons much as far as I know, beyond DIO throwing out knives sometimes. But with how JoJo revolves around characters being often creative and BIG BRAIN, I imagine he'd do it pretty fast.

And full armor characters moving fast isn't that big a deal. His grandpa had to deal with five meter tall giants and all, full armored people being real fast at most'll make him think he isn't human.
 
He scales between that and this high 8c feat. Basically he scales massivly above the people who preformed the 9a feat (Which was only like .3 tons off baseline 8-c), but his normal ap scales below lakyus boosted attack (The restricted six fold slash of light)

He's not fast enough to blitz just enough to have a significant advatage so it's perfectly valid.

His weapon does have the ablity to launch out sword slashes at range, while not the strangest thing in jojo's (By a wide Fing margin) It's still something jotaro has no knolwedge of.

Jojo's are used to characters being equal or similar speed gazefs speed amps aren't something jotaros ever encountered before to my knowledge (could be totally off here, my knolwedge on jojo is far from perfect), add onto that the reach of gazefs sword and his ablity to launch out ranged attaks in the form of four fold slash of light and I see gazef getting one hit in on jotaro, jotaros dura is already poor so razors edge won't have much of an impact.
 
No, a slower character winning in a speed equal match due to a speed amp is not allowed, speed blitz or not.

There was a good part in his struggle with Dio where he could barely move a little while he could move around in time stop at will. And I'm pretty sure the pillars were plenty faster than them, too.
 
Ah that was the rule sorry Im exhausted at the moment. saying that after be beaten on by star platinum gazefs' going to be rushing jotaro as he has some experince with summoners and when he fails to hit star he's liable to bum rush jotaro as thats basically how you dealt with summoners in overlord. With that in mind no idea on if gazef can close the distance and to tired to contiue.
 
Brain can sense invisible enemies, and I think there was some implications that all powerful warriors could do it as well. Gonna see if I find a quote later.
 
That is... weird. I distinctly remember the CRT saying otherwise. And it's not like it's any less stupid to have the slower character win because they are faster.
 
During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.

Well the current rule is written as above so...Gazef gets his amps until that gets swapped out (Kinda agree seems...odd to allow the slower character the win for speed amps)...

All right now for real sleep time, apologies for my no doubt less then stellar wording due to my tired state.
 
What is their AP like?
 
Don't know with star platinum but jotaro himself has 9b dura on his own, meaning if gazef hits him he dies and with gazefs ambiguous rating of massivly above 9a (9a that is .3 tons off baseline 8c) and below high 8c I really doubt the gaps notable enough to make any difference here.

Gazef speed amps should allow him to pull off the win, star platinum doesn't seem liable to kill him with any ease, especially with his regen, and jotaro has no idea gazef can suddenly increase his speed. flow acceleration and four fold slash of light should give gazef the win here.

So gazef for my reasons :P
 
Dang. I was hoping Jotaro would be just hax enough to progress, but he gets slammed in the first round. Disappointed.

Should have used Giorno Giovanna instead...

Gazef FRA.
 
4:1 for Gazef currently. I think.

Giorno would have been 2 hax
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is Gazef's Sense Weakness ability. He'd know to target Jotaro instead of the invisible force attacking him. Gazef FRA.
 
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