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Anyways, we've recently allowed Legends of Magic to be part of the show's canon, as a result, I believe we should update Celestia, Luna, and Discord to High 3-A. The upgrades were already accepted months ago so all the arguments for it have already been laid out and accepted. But that's not completely what I want to talk about. I also wanted to discuss the Elements of Harmony and the possibility of Low 2-C for not only them, but characters like Celestia and Luna. There are other characters I wanted to discuss and how they relate to the scaling, but I don't want to make the thread any bigger than it has to be. If this goes through, then I'll make a thread for that.
First off: The Elements of Harmony. I believe they should get a straight up Low 2-C via backscaling to the Human Elements. Not only is Darkanine fine with scaling them, but there is no evidence that the Human Elements grew infinitely stronger than the Pony ones. They have done nothing to justify such a massive growth. The Human Elements couldn't even evolve to become stronger than The Dazzlings. They only grew stronger when Sunset Shimmer added her Element of Empathy, which would mean the Elements didn't grow stronger individually, yet we are expected to believe they can suddenly grow to match an supposedly infinitely stronger force in the next movie? I don't think anyone is going to buy into that.
In addition to that the Pony Elements already have feats by themselves. Defeating characters with multiple Universe level statements, which even if not Low 2-C is still heavy support that they scale to the Human versions. It makes so much more logical sense if the Elements were always that strong to begin with. Especially taken into account that Darkanine is completely against the idea of them evolving to become stronger in the first place, which completely kills the original argument against the Pony Elements of Harmony scaling to begin with.
The last argument may be more difficult to convince people of, but I believe may be worth something in the end. Essentially, what I would suggest is that on top of the High 3-A rating, we also include a possibly Low 2-C. Why? For a few reasons. The first is a fabric of reality statement for the teenaged sisters. The second is context. Contextually, things like "reality" or "fabric of reality" or "Universe" or "world" are usually treated as the same thing in My Little Pony. Evidence can be found here, here, here, here, here, and here. Discord also has his own fabric of reality statement in To Where and Back Again. So, when they say Discord or The Sisters can warp the fabric of reality, they actually mean "the fabric of the Universe" as world and reality are being treated in the same context as Universe. This is especially the case with Legends of Magic involving parallel universes and parallel versions of the characters. It's pretty much impossible for reality to mean anything other than Universe here. Finally, I'll steal a quote from DoggoRoboto as a last argument (As far as fabric of reality is concerned):
Anyways, my last arguments are Nightmare Moon managing to momentarily hold back the Elements of Harmony. While she was ultimately defeated, it took 4 seconds to be overpowered completely. They couldn't instantly overwhelm her. Normally, this wouldn't be enough, but given her own statements, it might support the idea of tier 2 for the Sisters.
The next is the Pony of Shadows. Alternate Stygian considered them extremely powerful. To the point where he considered the Sisters to be a huge asset and help in his plans. He considered them extremely powerful and destructive and held their power in very very high regard. This went to the point where even after losing his world's version of the Sisters, he sought them out in other worlds just to have their power. The Pony of Shadows scales via surviving a hit from the Elements of Harmony. For him to go so far out of his way just to have their power by his side speaks volumes. Even if they don't completely scale to him, the way he views their power tells me they are at least in range of his general tier. I doubt he'd view people infinitely weaker than him as anything worth searching for.
As it is now, my suggestions for the current tiering for Celestia and Luna are as follows:
At least Solar System level (Raises the su every day, and has done so for over a thousand years. A small part of her power alongside Luna's can control the Sun and Moon), likely High Universe level (Stated to have infinite power for Destruction and was going to be used to make an infinite number of worlds empty and corrupted), possibly Universe level+ (Stated to have the power to warp the fabric of reality as a teenager, with reality being used in the same context as universe several times)
For the Elements of Harmony:
Universe level+ (With their power, Twilight Sparkle nearly destroyed the Human World, and with 5 out of 6 of them, Sunset Shimmer was able to undo the damage)
Anyways, we've recently allowed Legends of Magic to be part of the show's canon, as a result, I believe we should update Celestia, Luna, and Discord to High 3-A. The upgrades were already accepted months ago so all the arguments for it have already been laid out and accepted. But that's not completely what I want to talk about. I also wanted to discuss the Elements of Harmony and the possibility of Low 2-C for not only them, but characters like Celestia and Luna. There are other characters I wanted to discuss and how they relate to the scaling, but I don't want to make the thread any bigger than it has to be. If this goes through, then I'll make a thread for that.
First off: The Elements of Harmony. I believe they should get a straight up Low 2-C via backscaling to the Human Elements. Not only is Darkanine fine with scaling them, but there is no evidence that the Human Elements grew infinitely stronger than the Pony ones. They have done nothing to justify such a massive growth. The Human Elements couldn't even evolve to become stronger than The Dazzlings. They only grew stronger when Sunset Shimmer added her Element of Empathy, which would mean the Elements didn't grow stronger individually, yet we are expected to believe they can suddenly grow to match an supposedly infinitely stronger force in the next movie? I don't think anyone is going to buy into that.
In addition to that the Pony Elements already have feats by themselves. Defeating characters with multiple Universe level statements, which even if not Low 2-C is still heavy support that they scale to the Human versions. It makes so much more logical sense if the Elements were always that strong to begin with. Especially taken into account that Darkanine is completely against the idea of them evolving to become stronger in the first place, which completely kills the original argument against the Pony Elements of Harmony scaling to begin with.
The last argument may be more difficult to convince people of, but I believe may be worth something in the end. Essentially, what I would suggest is that on top of the High 3-A rating, we also include a possibly Low 2-C. Why? For a few reasons. The first is a fabric of reality statement for the teenaged sisters. The second is context. Contextually, things like "reality" or "fabric of reality" or "Universe" or "world" are usually treated as the same thing in My Little Pony. Evidence can be found here, here, here, here, here, and here. Discord also has his own fabric of reality statement in To Where and Back Again. So, when they say Discord or The Sisters can warp the fabric of reality, they actually mean "the fabric of the Universe" as world and reality are being treated in the same context as Universe. This is especially the case with Legends of Magic involving parallel universes and parallel versions of the characters. It's pretty much impossible for reality to mean anything other than Universe here. Finally, I'll steal a quote from DoggoRoboto as a last argument (As far as fabric of reality is concerned):
My last argument is mostly about scaling and is debatably the most controversial argument I have here. I want to make something clear here before saying anything else: The feats I am about to talk about are not meant to scale the Sisters to the full power of the person or power they are being scaled to. However, it does strongly support the notion of "fabric of reality" being Low 2-C. Think of this as auxiliary scaling to provide additional support for what is already being argued. Not the main reasoning or arguments, just minor support.DoggoRoboto said:
Anyways, my last arguments are Nightmare Moon managing to momentarily hold back the Elements of Harmony. While she was ultimately defeated, it took 4 seconds to be overpowered completely. They couldn't instantly overwhelm her. Normally, this wouldn't be enough, but given her own statements, it might support the idea of tier 2 for the Sisters.
The next is the Pony of Shadows. Alternate Stygian considered them extremely powerful. To the point where he considered the Sisters to be a huge asset and help in his plans. He considered them extremely powerful and destructive and held their power in very very high regard. This went to the point where even after losing his world's version of the Sisters, he sought them out in other worlds just to have their power. The Pony of Shadows scales via surviving a hit from the Elements of Harmony. For him to go so far out of his way just to have their power by his side speaks volumes. Even if they don't completely scale to him, the way he views their power tells me they are at least in range of his general tier. I doubt he'd view people infinitely weaker than him as anything worth searching for.
As it is now, my suggestions for the current tiering for Celestia and Luna are as follows:
At least Solar System level (Raises the su every day, and has done so for over a thousand years. A small part of her power alongside Luna's can control the Sun and Moon), likely High Universe level (Stated to have infinite power for Destruction and was going to be used to make an infinite number of worlds empty and corrupted), possibly Universe level+ (Stated to have the power to warp the fabric of reality as a teenager, with reality being used in the same context as universe several times)
For the Elements of Harmony:
Universe level+ (With their power, Twilight Sparkle nearly destroyed the Human World, and with 5 out of 6 of them, Sunset Shimmer was able to undo the damage)
