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Saint Seiya Revisions Part 4 (The Low 6-B issue)

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Sections covered

  • Missing abilities with possible new addtions for The Gods, and The Saints. We Then have some Endurance feats for the Saints.
  • We then come up to the Low 6-B issue which could probably be a thread of its own if that is what people would like in order to keep this thread organized. I'll be short with it, the 6-B Justification could use some work, or be downgraded.
  • Then we come to some profile clean up stuff for the Silver Saints, and what abilities they could be missing along with resistances.
This is what this thread will be covering.


The Gods

Passive Paralysis Inducement, Life Manipulation (Life Force Drain), and Statistics Reduction.




Passive Heat Manipulation (With their Aura upon flaring their cosmo.)




Heat Manipulation Resistance

  • Reasoning: Seiya had to fight a lot of Gods. I could list them if needed. Then there is also Phoenix Ikki whom uses fire for all of his signuature moves. Lionet Soma is another example of a fire user.


Extrasensory Perception

  • Reasoning: This is due to the 6th sense


Enhanced Senses

  • Reasoning: This due to having more than 1 sense that is unique to the verse such as the 7th, 8th, and 9th sense. (Extra Senses and the 6th Sense.)


The Saints


Passive Aura, and Heat Manipulation

  • Reasoning: For the same as the above. Seiya has shown it, and stated that his Cosmo is hot. Shun had to raise the tempature of his Cosmo to save Hyoga whom was froze in an ice cube at tempatures close to AZ. Shiryu was able to burn the hand of Deathmask with his Gold Cloth on him. Seiya had to burn his cosmo as hot as Aiolia.


Heat Manipulation Resistance

  • Reasoning: Seiya, and Ikki the 2 whom are more well known for their Heat Manipulation fought aganist the Gold Saints whom would have had to withstand their heated aura, or heat infused attacks. This would also extend to some of the Silver Saints, and Hyoga also took a heated blast head on.


Enhanced Senses

  • Reasoning: This imgur album is still a work in progress. However, they have enhanced hearing. Shiryu, and Shun were able to hear the bones of Seiya cracking the Temple of Leo Aiolia, and they were outside of the temple. The Temples are complex in design within the interior. They sort of like a pocket reality/Pocket Dimenion. That was mostly shown in Episode G, and Next Dimension. However, the Virgo Temple did have a big bang go off inside of it as well. Other examples are being able to sense, and track people over a large distance. This Imgur album has some examples i found. Other Notable things, Extra Senses such as the 6th sense. Another notable feat, is that even with the loss of the 5 senses, and even the 6th sense. They can still perfectly see their entire envoriment around them.


Extrasensory Perception

  • Reasoning: The 6th sense.


Endurance/Stamina feats for the Saints


The Bronze Saints have fought when they were severely injured. An Example, Shiryu fought when he lost more than half his blood. Aries Mu warned him that any more wounds would kill him. he fought on anyways, and blood some more, but still fought. So saints can still fight, and surivive when losing more than half their own blood volume (or whatever word is more proper.) [5] Full imgur album is in that link behind this sentence.


Shiryu took his own eyes out, and continued to fight


Their limbs or entire body can be near frozen solid , and they still survive and fight.


They suffered critical damage to the heart such as being pierced in the heart , and still survivedand fought o .


Shiryu reversed the blood flow of his body. Bursted all his capillaries, and even boiled his own blood , and still survived and continued to fight.

Hyoga had his bodies nerves crushed, and destroyed . He still continued to fight on and survive. This also happens again in his fight with Scorpio Milo Vs Cyngus Hyoga.


Hyoga can survive underwater in near freezing tempatures for almost 2 hours . Normal humans are tough to be able to last 15 minutes

Shiryu was 6,000 meters up in a mountain, and the air was thin. he was there for a long while, and was even bleeding out to death there.


Gold Saints if they are evenly matched could fight for years. This is known as a "1-Thousand Day Showdown"


Misc. Stuff


Dragon Shiryu - Limited/Minor Water Manipulation [6][7], Telekinesis (He blasted the boulders that Kiki had)


Cygnus Hyoga - Attack Reflection (He reflected Ikkis Illusion Fist )


Phoenix Ikki - Power Nullification [???] (Refused to be Teleported by Aries Mu.)


Eagle Mari - Limited/Minor Illusion Creation (Was able to trick Lizard Misty into thinking Pegasus Seiya was dead with her Illusion Punch), Resistance to Mind Reading (Asterion could not longer read her mind )


Athena (Saint Seiya) - Can Communicate with Animals, and control them. Holy Manipulation (Her sheild casted out the Demonthat was affecting Saga )


Pegasus Seiya - Reactive Power Level (His power grows stronger everytime he gets knocked down. His Skill continues to improve during battle). Danmaku (via Pegasus Ryu Sen Ken/Meteror Fist )


Libra Dohko accroding to Gemini Saga, and Aiolia has is the strongest in Raw Strength. https://i.imgur.com/mjyGmkv.png


Aquarius Camus - Earthquake Generation (He generated this Earthquake [8] )


Scorpio Milo - Biological Manipulation (he can affect the central nervous system )


Andromeda Shun - Danmaku (Via His Chains )


Resistance to Electricity Manipulation n for everyone this is scaling from Shuns Chains, Shaina, and Orion Eden https://imgur.com/a/v8nCUGW


The Low 6-B Issue


Ikki should have Country Level removed from his profile, and instead be 6-C


Laslty, Lizard Misty shouldn't be Low 6-B for "Via Scaling to Pegasus with this calc" instead it should be that


"Lizard Misty took an attack from Pegasus Seiya that had its forced Multiplied by 100"


28.671563749 Gigatons Multiplied by 100 = 2.86715638 teraton (Low 6-B)


The "the force was multiplied by 100" comes from thsi scan https://i.imgur.com/FEPivnn.png. Seiya was already considerably stronger at this point in the story too.


He was slowly becoming stronger than Misty, and even able to take his blows.


Seiya also 1-shotted the Silver Saint of Sagitta, and just before that he defeated other silver saints


Shiryu fought Argol


Ikki fought 3 Silver Saints, and held his own really well.


Hyoga fought one as well|


Each oof the Bronze Saint should also get a Low 6-B Key if accepted or everyone that doens't scale from a higher end feat should be downgraded, or re-assessed


lasty, the silver saints are in need of a clean up and have missing powers with missing resistance some of the missing ones are as below

Telepathy, and Telekinesis


Preassure Points


Probability Manipulation, and Statistical Amplificaiton


Instinctive Reactions


Extrasensory Perception (if agreed)


Enhanced Senses


Soul Manipulation


Non-Physical Interaction


Aura, and Heat Manipulation (if agreed)


Martial Arts


Cold Energy Manipulation Resistance


Heat Manipulation Resistance

Matter Manipulation Resistance

Soul Manipulation Resistance


I could be missing many others there... if i am just remind me..


This is subject for editing in the next few days to fix formatting errors.
 
Okay, after some readings, here are my opinions:

Gods abilities: Yep. These look legit. God's Aura is more consistent than I thought. And indeed they should have normal Cosmo Users' abilities, which I'll say in the next part

Saints abilities: Heat Aura should have been on all Saints' profiles a long time ago. I can't believe this was just proposed. (Agreed) also agree with the resist, as I think you should be able to take the heat to generate it in the first place without being burnt. Enhanced Sense and Extrasensory are also good.

Stamina feats: YESSSSSSSS. Make a large imgur album for this. Some Saint Seiya fans called the 5 Bronzes "5 Cockroaches" because they just won't fall and die. And those scans will be the proofs of that. Not only that, depending of the feats, some can be used to justify Immortality 2 as well.

Also, the resisting freezing temperature part can give them resistance to Ice Manipulation too.

I'll be writing my opinions for the Misc. Part after this in a few minutes.
 
Now for the misc. Abilities:

Shiryu's stuffs: Nothing to suspect. All are fine to me in this one.

Hyoga reflects: Looks fine, I guess.

Ikki powernull: Better worded as "Resistance to BFR" IMO

Marin's stuffs: She didn't make an illusion that Seiya was dead IIRC. She just knocked him out. Her mindread resist should be fine tho

Athena's stuffs: I think the "talking with animals" part is a God's aura at work And her Holy manip seems more like her shield yeeted Lemur off Saga's body, so it's more of Soul Manip with her shield

Seiya's stuffs: Yes. Both are legit. And the Reactive part, I think it can be applied to all Saints.

Dohko strongest: Well, I'd leave this for later AP talk.

Camus Earthquake: Didn't he break the ices, making the earthquake, not shaking the earth for it?

Milo stuff: Well, it looks good.

Shun's chains: Umu. Also lookin good

Resistance to electric manip: Also good, I think.

As for the Low 6-B thingy, changing justifications is good.

Ikki's Tier shoudn't just be 6-C, but "At least 6-C, likely higher" for stomping the bronzes, but have no indications of being a higher Tier. He may get a possibly scaling to the Silver Saints, but I don't see anything pointing towards that.

As for Silver Saints are key, I think we can just list it as "up to Low 6-B with Reactive Evolution" because Silver Saints Arc is quite short
 
Diinou HotHead said:
Ikki powernull: Better worded as "Resistance to BFR" IMO

Marin's stuffs: Her mindread resist should be fine tho

Athena's stuffs: I think the "talking with animals" part is a God's aura at work And her Holy manip seems more like her shield yeeted Lemur off Saga's body, so it's more of Soul Manip with her shield

Seiya's stuffs: Yes. Both are legit. And the Reactive part, I think it can be applied to all Saints.

Dohko strongest: Well, I'd leave this for later AP talk.

Camus Earthquake: Didn't he break the ices, making the earthquake, not shaking the earth for it?

As for the Low 6-B thingy, changing justifications is good.

Ikki's Tier shoudn't just be 6-C, but "At least 6-C, likely higher" for stomping the bronzes, but have no indications of being a higher Tier. He may get a possibly scaling to the Silver Saints, but I don't see anything pointing towards that.

As for Silver Saints are key, I think we can just list it as "up to Low 6-B with Reactive Evolution" because Silver Saints Arc is quite short
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I can agree to that. I just didn't know what to list it as.

is it possible that marins mind resistance can scale to other saints because she was able to do this after learning about his ability

Athena can seperate souls from the body with her shield? would this be passive or active though? All seiya did was touch the shield struggle with its wait and direct it, but as soon as it was touched it was emitting light the entire time

I think the reactive power level and the silver saint arc can go hand in hand. They became stronger than silver saints after getting beaten to a bloody pulp so much with so little rest between fights they went from the the black saint arc. fought ikki. to fighting the silver saints a few minutes later then refought them a few hours later.


Dohko thing was just there for informational purposes not really to be used for anything tbh

Id have to go back and read the camus thing, but i don't remember him spliting a glacier if anything it was probably more caused by telekensis.
 
Marin's mindread resist can scale, yeah. But it's not a passive resistance, I think. It's kinda making your mind blank so there are nothing to read.

I think Athena shield sould yeet is active. Seiya kinda activated it, before swinging it around to find Athena
 
Since most people agree with you...

I got a couple questions..

immortality type 2 i am a bit skeptical of.. My main concern is this. I thought wtih Immortality type 2 you needed feats of having like a severed head for a prolong period of time, and not die at all. The Saints have to fear having their heads killed. Actually speaking of htat. The Silver Saints, and even the Gold Saints were either trying to hax them to death, or go for the head i noticed. Maybe something like Limited/Minor Immortality Type 2??

As for the Low 6-B just calirfy.. Do you mean something like this? "Low 6-B (After fighting the black saints, and Ikki, they became more powerful than they previously were)" [sort of implying the reactive power level was invovled]

This is all scaling from seiya being 100x times stronger with 1 attack, but he was slowly becoming strong enough to deflect, block attacks, and hurt silver saints [Basically reactive power level (grows stronger over time)]
 
Immortality 2 is "You can still chill around even after lethal wound" which I think getting your heart crushed may qualify. Not that I actively want it anyway, just saying some feats may qualify

As for justification, it'd be something like: At least Island level (Chapter 1 Seiya can do this), up to Small Country level with Reactive Evolution (Seiya manages to damage and defeat Misty despite being stomped by him a few moments ago in the same fight)

The justification can change between characters.
 
Diinou HotHead said:
Immortality 2 is "You can still chill around even after lethal wound" which I think getting your heart crushed may qualify. Not that I actively want it anyway, just saying some feats may qualify
As for justification, it'd be something like: At least Island level (Chapter 1 Seiya can do this), up to Small Country level with Reactive Evolution (Seiya manages to damage and defeat Misty despite being stomped by him a few moments ago in the same fight)

The justification can change between characters.
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aahh i see.. i misunderstood you..

"It is important to avoid confusing this ability with Reactive Evolution, which allows one to develop new powers and resistances in response to the enemy's attacks, and may encompass this ability as well in the process. By contrast, Reactive Power Level does not grant any new abilities, it strictly improves existing ones." - Reactive Power Level
 
I'll summraize everything and write out proper justifitcations,, and then i'll message some staff
 
Justifications, and overall summary:

The Gods

[All Passively done] Paralysis Inducement, Life Manipulation, Statistics Reduction, and Heat Manipulation (The power that radiates from the Gods causes affected targets to be paralyzed. Their Life Force then starts to drai, and they then have their strength, speed, and durability reduced along with their life force by being near a gods cosmo. Powering up their cosmo causes the heat in the area around them to increase drastically, along with their attacks being imbued with intense heat), Extrasensory Perception (The Gods have additoinal supernatural senses such as the 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th sense), Enhanced Senses (By having addtional supernatural senses, and being capable of tracking events taking place in other seperated realms) Resistance to Heat Manipulation (All Cosmo users by powering up their cosmo generates heat around them thus also being in the presence of other Cosmo users, and taking attacks from them), Electricity Manipulation (Entry level Cosmo users can withstand 10,000 volts. While more experienced Cosmo users can withstand even more than that.)


The Saints

Passive Aura, and Heat Manipulation (Upon powering up their Cosmo they cause the area around them to burn up with intense heat, and their attacks are also imbued with heat), Extrasensory Perception (By virtue of the 6th sense, the 7th sense, 8th sense, and the 9th sense), Enhanced Senses (They are capable of tracking events taking place over a large distance including other realms. Including the hearing of breaking bones from a distance away. In addtion, they also hav ethe 6th, 7th, 8th, and 9th sense), Reactive Power Level (The skills of the Saints continues to improve throughout their fights, and They continue to get stronger everytime they gets knocked dow), Resistance to Heat Manipulation (Able to withstand being in the affected area of other Cosmo users, and are able to withstand attacks that are imbued with an intense amount of heat), and Electricity Manipulation (Cosmo users can withstand 10,000 volts, and more experienced Cosmo users can withstand even more)

Endurance feats for the Saints

Stamina: The Saints can keep fighting despite suffering through severe damage, and even critical damage that would otherwise kill a person. They can survive under the sea in near freezing point tempatures for close to 2 hours, and survive in Oxygen thin air while being near death and losing more than half their blood at the same time.

individual abilities


Dragon Shiryu - Limited Water Manipulation (Shown to manipulatewater to this extent), Telekinesis (He blasted apart several boulders from a distance)

Cygnus Hyoga - Attack Reflection (He reflected Ikki's illusio fist back at him)

Phoenix Ikki - Resistance to BFR (He was able to reject Aries Mu's Teleportation)

Eagle Mari - Resistance to Mind Reading (Made her mind blank, and unreabable to Asterio)

Athena (Saint Seiya) - Soul Manipulation (Her Sheild can separate the soul from the body)

Pegasus Seiya - Danmaku (When using his Pegasus Ryu Sen Ke)

Scorpio Milo - Biological Manipulation (The Venom from his attacks affect the nervous system direclty)

Andromeda Shu - Danmaku (His chains can multiply into many other chains)


The Low 6-B tier

Lizard Misty

Low 6-B (He was able to block an attack from Pegasus Seiya that had 100 times the force, and power, of his normal Pegasus Ryu Sen Ken without much damage, but only staggered slightly)


Pegasus Seiya

Low 6-B (His Pegasus Comet Fist has 100 times more power, and force in it than his Pegasus Ryu Sen Ke) || Low 6-B (During his fight with Lizard Misty he was growing strong enough to damage him, and then eventually kill him)


Phoenix Ikki

At least 6-C, Likely Higher (He was able to effortlessly hold his own aganist Seiya, Shiryu, Hyoga , and Shu despite being in weakened condition) || Low 6-B (He held his own aganist 3 silver saints, and was able to break their Cloths without much trouble despite having 1 arm weakened by being in a frozen state.)


Everyone else [Only the 5 main bronze saints]

Low 6-B (They became stong enough to fight the silver saints equally, break their clothes, and then eventually defeat them)


Then we have the silver saint clean up, and updating project adding in missing powers, and resistance to abilities that apply to them from previous CRT's
 
Ye.
 
Then... is it fine to add these, and start fixing profiles....?

3 staff members responded in agreement, and i think Mr. Bambu aslo agrees?
 
with 5 staff members in agreement.. am i free to start editing and adding the new abilities/powers in...?
 
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