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Dettlaff vs Sekiro

SheevShezarrine

SheevShezarrine

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"If you acknowledge any gods, shinobi, start praying."

The Beast of Beauclair vs The One-Armed Wolf

Both 9-A

Wolf has access to all equipment obtainable prior to second Genichiro boss fight (basically where the early game ends)

Dettlaff can enter his monster form

Fight until forfeit or incap of 1 month or more

Both in-character

Speed equalized

Start 5 meters away
 
How would Dettlaff kill or incapacitate Wolf exactly? Its been a while since I last played TW3 and I don't recall Dettlaff ever using mindhax. Where does that come from?
 
Comes from bestiary, and Dettlaff also seems to trap Geralt in an illusion during their fight after biting into his neck
 
It's forfeit or incap. Just realized forfeit while bloodlusted is kinda dumb, gonna change it to in-character. As for incap, idk what the verdict was but iirc there was discussion that maiming Wolf (such as cutting off his arm) could incap him since he never regenerated his arm even though he already had the ability to resurrect when Genichiro dismembered him.
 
Monster Dettlaff is overall stronger than Geralt tbh.

Sekiro can't really bypass his regen. Dettlaff can casually heal from being cut to few pieces and after some time even from being turned into liquid alone.

He can also summon many bats, make his own battlefield, teleport or hold him. If he notices Sekiro just ressurects, I think he can incap him by summoning bats or vampires (if we assume the battle takes place in Tesham Mutna)

Higher vampires are capable of mindhaxing opponent, like Unseen Elder did. So that's another way.

Voting Dettlaff for now
 
SpookyShadow said:
Monster Dettlaff is overall stronger than Geralt tbh.

Sekiro can't really bypass his regen. Dettlaff can casually heal from being cut to few pieces and after some time even from being turned into liquid alone.

He can also summon many bats, make his own battlefield, teleport or hold him. If he notices Sekiro just ressurects, I think he can incap him by summoning bats or vampires (if we assume the battle takes place in Tesham Mutna)

Higher vampires are capable of mindhaxing opponent, like Unseen Elder did. So that's another way.

Voting Dettlaff for now
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High Vampires can be incaped for a significant period of time if cut into several pieces and scattered, as Regis was.

SBA assumes Central Park
 
Honestly incapping is not in character for Dettlaff. He wants him dead.

Would be better if the location was Tesham Mutna and he was able to summon vampires. Though maybe bats can also incap Sekiro.
 
So Dettlaff's regn is only Low-Mid in combat, which Wolf could overcome as he always goes for lethal shots, which include head stabs (Which Low-Mid cannot recover from).

In a straight up fight Wolf should be over to overcome Dettlaff fairly well, as the former has an immense skill advantage.

Not going to comment on Mortal Blade's regen negation, as the type it can negate isn't specified on Wolf's profile at all.

Dettlaff can't really kill Wolf, due to the latter's immortality, and apparently it's not in character to use incap.

From what i'm reading, Dettlaff's higher end regen would take centuries without outside help, so i'm gonna have to vote Wolf via incap, due to Skill Advantage, and the fact Dettlaff is unwilling to go for his win-con's in character. Also the fact Wolf has a significant AP advantage. (Witcher 9-A's consistently scale to around 0.02 tons, while Wolf scales above 0.04 at the very least and 0.089 at the most.)
 
So update:

About Wolf's regen negation I just found something that points to it Negating Mid level regen. It's said to negate the Regenerationn of The Infested, who are said to be capable of survivng and coming back from Heart Destruction and Decapitation
 
Dettlaff rushes him to attack, shinobi firecrackers, which both blind and deafen, then run behind him while he likely wildly swings and death blow.
 
Wolf doesn't normally dismember during death blows and prefers one vicious stab to the neck. That's not going to slow down Dettlaff for very long at all
 
Wouldn't a stab through the neck technically be decapitation, seeing as for the sword to go through all the way and stick out the other side, it would have to cut through the bone connecting the neck to the spinal cord?
 
TitanCrusher101 said:
He also out skills Dettlaff by a longshot.
Proof
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Dettlaff was going toe to toe with Geralt who's also a master swordsman so it's not that much of a gap. Dettlaff was a vampire for hundreds of years after all
 
Oh, their skill is equal then. My vote still stands, Sekiro just has far greater versatility, plus I don't see Dettlaff getting through his immortality.
 
TitanCrusher101 said:
Oh, their skill is equal then.
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No not at all.

As it stands Geralt's intelligence is only high, while Wolf is Genius in combat. Dettlaff's own profile notes him as having Average intlligence.
 
Yes, but as skilled as Wolf is, he's wildly inexperienced compared to Dettlaff. Maybe that's a point for him though for being a very quick learner.
 
TitanCrusher101 said:
Yes, but as skilled as Wolf is, he's wildly inexperienced compared to Dettlaff. Maybe that's a point for him though for being a very quick learner.
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I'm going back and watching Dettlaff's actual fight with Geralt. He seems to rely heavily on his teleportation and his brute strength more than actual skill or quick thinking.
 
AogiriKira said:
TitanCrusher101 said:
Oh, their skill is equal then.
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No not at all.
As it stands Geralt's intelligence is only high, while Wolf is Genius in combat. Dettlaff's own profile notes him as having Average intlligence.
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The intellect ratings don't have any standards so its best to not take them too seriously and instead focus on skill feats and experience statements.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
AogiriKira said:
TitanCrusher101 said:
Oh, their skill is equal then.
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No not at all.
As it stands Geralt's intelligence is only high, while Wolf is Genius in combat. Dettlaff's own profile notes him as having Average intlligence.
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The intellect ratings don't have any standards so its best to not take them too seriously and instead focus on skill feats and experience statements.
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Well using skill feats from Wolf, his 9-A key still has some good skill scaling. He's able to master techniques from the Shinobi, Prosthetic, and Ashina text. He's killed Lady Butterfly, a top level Shinobi capable of using illusions in her fight and is able to utilize throwing weapons and jump around Wolf to attack from multiple angles utilizing her threads. (For a full showcase of her skill and fighting style it'd be better to just watch her fight.)

 
I doubt Wolf canonically skill stomps all the bosses in Sekiro, hell I don't think he'd even pull that off in even the slight majority of cases. And as for Dettlaff, he's far from a slouch. Even in base and making fairly limited use of his powers, he can keep up with Geralt, who is even more experienced than the likes of Isshin and Owl. In addition, Dettlaff himself also managed to stomp a particularly dangerous Fiend, Fiends being some of the strongest monsters in the verse
 
SheevShezarrine said:
I doubt Wolf canonically skill stomps all the bosses in Sekiro, hell I don't think he'd even pull that off in even the slight majority of cases. And as for Dettlaff, he's far from a slouch. Even in base and making fairly limited use of his powers, he can keep up with Geralt, who is even more experienced than the likes of Isshin and Owl. In addition, Dettlaff himself also managed to stomp a particularly dangerous Fiend, Fiends being some of the strongest monsters in the verse
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I know what a fiend is. I'm not unfamiliar with The Witcher, it's one of my favorite RPGs. That being said. Oh, beating a fiend is impressive? Demon of Hatred
 
Also you sound super ******* biased in that statement. "I don't even think he'd pull that off in even the slight majority of cases." He's extremely skilled.
 
SheevShezarrine said:
I doubt Wolf canonically skill stomps all the bosses in Sekiro, hell I don't think he'd even pull that off in even the slight majority of cases. And as for Dettlaff, he's far from a slouch. Even in base and making fairly limited use of his powers, he can keep up with Geralt, who is even more experienced than the likes of Isshin and Owl. In addition, Dettlaff himself also managed to stomp a particularly dangerous Fiend, Fiends being some of the strongest monsters in the verse
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Isshin and Owl aren't relevant to this as this is early game Wolf, not late game.

Dettlaff keeping up with Geralt isn't much of a feat, considering in the fight he relied mainly on brute strength, teleportation, and later just transformed and spammed flight as well as bats.

Also stomping a fiend off screen doesn't mean much. We don't know if he out fought it, or simply clawed it to death mindlessly.
 
Sekiro uses his death blow how ever it will kill. It just happens he mostly goes up against humans, where a neck stab is ideal.

I.E. the bull. He went straight for the forehead, knowing that it would kill. He has a lot of knowledge about human anatomy and how to kill creatures. He has never done a death blow that "didn't work", or at least that was his fault.
 
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