The One-Armed Wolf vs The Brass Bull

[Naito-desu]

• Both are 7-C, Wolf's Mid to Late-Game key is used
• Both have their standard equipment, Wolf has the Mortal Blade
• Battle takes place in Gyoubu's arena
• Speeds equalized
• SBA otherwise

Wolf (16 kilotons):

Taurox (76 kilotons):

AP gap is more than 4x in favor of Taurox

 

[TheAngryOrange]

Give me a bit to think about this.
So as an inorganic, Taurox is immune to Wolf's poison. I'm surprised Taurox doesn't have fire resistance/immunity.

Even if we assume he does have invulnerability, his neck is still a weak point Wolf can target.

There's the issue with Taurox's axes. Will they counter Wolf's Fire shield? It says it ignores armor. But the fire shield is not armor. By the description on how they work it doesn't sound like wolf has to worry about getting burn buildup through deflect.

As a 1v1 Taurox's rage power will be of limited use. He's not the hulk who gets angrier over time. Taurox needs to kill other people.

Firecrackers should still work.

While animalistic, I won't discount that toward his fighting skills. However it still means he can be tricked or lured into traps.

Does anybody know just how good he is in terms of combat skill? Because at the moment, this sounds like the battle with the armored warrior. But this time Wolf can stab him in the neck instead of kick him off the bridge.

 

[Naito-desu]

Taurox isn't particularly skilled in the sense that he can keep up with Wolf but is mighty ferocious that Wolf's not gonna have an easy time. Wolf has the LS advantage though and even if he doesn't know about the weakspot, he's been able to improvise some very creative deathblows to kill his enemies so it shouldn't be hard for him to figure out.

Also I believe the Fire ignoring armor is just Warhammer mechanics having fire ignore armor saves. As far as I know, I believe Sekiro's fire shield is fine.

 

[AThe1412]

Yeah, I don't see anything stopping Wolf from going stealth + deathblow to the neck which he does all the time. Mortal Blade also negs Taurox's immortality.

 

[TheAngryOrange]

Even without stealth, wolf has dealt with the hyper aggressive and charging enemies before. Plus if all else fails, he can mist raven out of there. Or firecracker to interrupt.

 

[Naito-desu]

Taurox would theoretically have similar experiences fighting assassins but there aren't any significant ones that I can think of that would turn the favor to Wolf. He does still have his AP advantage even though Wolf has the LS advantage. If he can subdue or overwhelm Wolf, he's not above eating him which I think would put Wolf down for good. As it stands though, it's close but seeing the arguments, I think it's leaning more towards Wolf.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Taurox is definitely a bit of a skill monster. With Invulnerability not restricted there's only one spot you can hit Taurox to kill him and in-verse it took an aimbot bow shot by a High 6-C to land a single hit on that spot. Keep in mind Taurox tends to slaughter anything that gets in his way like Chaos Warriors, Empire people, Norscans, Dark Elves, etc.

If Wolf doesn't play the most evasive style known to man, he's getting slaughtered.

 

[Naito-desu]

Sekiro is fairly skilled enough that I'd say it's not a gap, this is at the point where he's already beaten Isshin and also mastered all three skill trees. Plus, Sekiro does have the benefit of ranged weapons like shooting stars and Sen Throw that can make him a threat to Taurox even from afar. Taurox has a very overwhelming style of attack, but I think Sekiro's superior LS means he can deflect incoming attacks and also prevents him from being outright wrestled and subdued

I'm actually not sure how the Mortal Blade interacts with Taurox's invincibility. Taurox's skin acts like an armor save so I'm inclined to say it works if it just acts like really tough armor, in which case, the Mortal Blade can be a viable way of harming him.

On second thought, I believe other dura negging weapons couldn't pierce him either and had to bypass through his neck's weakspot, so the Mortal Blade might not work although it's better if it just targeted his neck to begin with.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sekiro is fairly skilled enough that I'd say it's not a gap, this is at the point where he's already beaten Isshin and also mastered all three skill trees.

Yeah but we aint skill scaling Taurox below literal fodder he's slaughtered by the hundreds. Chaos Warriors of Khorne start the crazy skill chain of Fantasy and Taurox killed a few hundred of them... keep in mind 80 turned a big ass army that they didn't exactly completely outmatch into a literal river of blood.

Plus, Sekiro does have the benefit of ranged weapons like shooting stars and Sen Throw that can make him a threat to Taurox even from afar.

I couldn't hear that over the imperial gunnery line that just shot a hundred or so bullets.

Taurox has a very overwhelming style of attack, but I think Sekiro's superior LS means he can deflect incoming attacks and also prevents him from being outright wrestled and subdued

Yeah but Sekiro's swords are nowhere near invincible and Taurox has a sizable AP advantage

I'm actually not sure how the Mortal Blade interacts with Taurox's invincibility. Taurox's skin acts like an armor save so I'm inclined to say it works if it just acts like really tough armor, in which case, the Mortal Blade can be a viable way of harming him. We haven't seen Taurox interact with other dura neg weapons of Warhammer but I assume it wouldn't work against those either.

Taurox super resists Death manip and Sekiro doesn't have durability negation so... yeah.

 

[Naito-desu]

Yeah but we aint skill scaling Taurox below literal fodder he's slaughtered by the hundreds. Chaos Warriors of Khorne start the crazy skill chain of Fantasy and Taurox killed a few hundred of them... keep in mind 80 turned a big ass army that they didn't exactly completely outmatch into a literal river of blood.

Yeah but to be fair, Sekiro in the early game killed Gyoubu who killed tons of soldiers already singlehandedly defending the castle gate. Not to mention, Isshin, who made a mockery of Lone Shadows and Interior Ministry guards, who pretty much cleaved through regular Ashina soldiers. Sekiro fought a few guys himself who made mockeries of trained armies, plus his skill growth (being able to master so many new moves from different trees in such a short time) and power mimicry make him skilled enough imo to keep up with Taurox. It's not enough to be a definite skill advantage but it evens the playing field imo,

Yeah but Sekiro's swords are nowhere near invincible and Taurox has a sizable AP advantage

I am not sure if Sekiro's sword breaking is a factor at play as a lot of attacks that should oneshot him or are straight up explosions like from the Demon of Hatred haven't really scratched it either, not to mention it can withstand the temperature of lightning if we're trying to factor the flaming attacks (although the Umbrella pretty much covers for this too in the off-chance that Taurox does break it.

Not to mention Sekiro isn't statically blocking attacks but deflecting them aside. Taurox can be overwhelming but Sekiro has been shown to be able to deflect fast hitting attacks like One Mind before (which is basically Sekiro's version of Judgement Cut without Spatial Manip). He also still has a variety of tools to make it difficult for him to be caught in attacks like Mist Raven.

I couldn't hear that over the imperial gunnery line that just shot a hundred or so bullets.

Sekiro's throwing stars are more accurate imo, a volley from guns that historically have been inaccurate isn't quite the same. He can also throw them mid-air if needed since he's mobile. Now granted, it won't be a guaranteed hit but that's still an option.

Taurox super resists Death manip and Sekiro doesn't have durability negation so... yeah.

Well to be fair, we are discussing the Mortal Blade in this case and its ability to go past armor/blocks.

 

[Naito-desu]

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