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Speed Equalized
22nd Budokai Piccolo
No BFR
who wins and why?
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Piccolo vs. Tornado of Terror
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Speed Equalized
22nd Budokai Piccolo
No BFR
who wins and why?
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Piccolo has this with ease, while TT may be able to delfect some of his projectiles due to telekines Piccolo also has telekines and is capable of lifting pyramids and creating fissures, Piccolo has also defeated Kami who also uses Telekines. Even if TT manages to hold Piccolo down he could still attack with his eyes beams or antetna, but most importantly is that Piccolo is much faster than TT and can blitz her before she can even get a hold on him.
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Speed is equalized...MajorM117 said:
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Tatsumaki is faster, anyways. MHS+ vs At least Hypersonic+
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Anyways, Tatsumaki was able to hold down Monster Garou when she was in a damaged state, I think she'll have no problem holding down Piccolo with her telekinesis. What good are eye beams going to do when he's stuck in place and can't move? I give this to Tatsumaki.
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Piccolo can counter her telekineis with his own, plus in his fight with Goku he absorbed power from his oponenet and created a nuclear blast that created several tsunamis. If she holds him down in place Piccolo can make her lose focus like his own telekinc push, eye beams, or telpathy. Piccolo could also clone himself and overwhelme her, and also since speed is equalized it is very unlikely Tatsumki will be able to hold him down or redirect any of his attacks.
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TT has special telekenesis techniques specifically designed to counter other telekenesis users, she used them the screw with her sister her whole life who is also a telekenesis user.MajorM117 said:
At once point, her sister pulls out this somewhat complicated secret anti telekenesis technique that she had trained for a long time and finally mastered and TT didn't have the heart to tell her that she'd mastered that tech when she was really young and had far more effective ways of fighter other espers than that.
Bottom line is that TT has far more practice using her powers against other telekenesis users and has plenty of ways of directly and indirectly countering such abilities other than just getting in a power struggle or something.
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Tatsumaki's TK trumps Picxolo's by far. Piccolo at the time didn't have nearly as many abilities as he has now, and he just doesn't seem as impressive. His Regen could, but unlikely be a doozy. Overall, I give it to Tatsumaki.
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Does Piccolo have invisible eye beam yet?
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Well I have to go with Piccolo then because Tatsumaki is very arragant while Piccolo (especially during this saga) is a conniving little demon, he will exploit her arragance even if she has him completly sunted and invisible eye beam her trying to aim for her eyes perferably once that happens he can easily win.
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Tatsumaki has a telekinetic barrier around herself almost all the time.RadicalMrR said:
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Didn't know but Eye beams are foucased Ki attacks so they can still pierce the barrier.
And thats if Piccolo doesn't say stuff like "Bet your not so tuff without those barriers" playing into her arragance.
And thats if Piccolo doesn't say stuff like "Bet your not so tuff without those barriers" playing into her arragance.
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Lol, Tatsumaki is arrogant, but she isn't stupid. Tatsumaki's barriers withstood Ōgon Seishi's attacks and Homeless Emperor's concentrated blasts. Plus both of those attacks were by surprise.RadicalMrR said:
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Tatsu is the type of arrogant person who would be offended for something to hurt her ever, she isn't the type to tank an attack with her shields down just because someone made a lame taunt.
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Well i'm not Piccolo and obviously he would come up with a much better plan.A Sword Dancer said:
Also remember what happened when Genos used a lame taunt, she launched him losing her grip on him.Why?Because she knows he has no chance against her.
But put Piccolo a green slug man in, she will not take him siceriously at all
Also this is how Piccolo looked during the 22nd Budokai so i'm guessing the OP ment 23rd
Confused as to why theres nothing?
Well that because he doesn't exist yet
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^lol
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@OP I forgot to ask, what are the conditions for victory? KO or Death?
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Um, why would you assume Tatsumaki wouldn't finish him off? Tatsumaki wouldn't think a fight is over unless her opponent is nothing, but a splatter of blood across the flood, especially if they're viewed as a monster by her.LTB2000 said:
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Tatsu splatters her enemies, she doesn't walk away leaving them bruised and maybe still alive on the ground or lord it over them as she basks in a win she hasn't finished getting yet.
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So I have found out her powers don't work thir best on oppoent's with strong wills is this true?
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Ki Is related to courage(Will)
Tatsu can't use her TK effectively on people with high will.
Inconclussive, Piccolo can't touch her and she can't dent him.
Tatsu can't use her TK effectively on people with high will.
Inconclussive, Piccolo can't touch her and she can't dent him.
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The amount of will needed to overcome Tatsumaki's TK is huge. She was able to hold down Monster Garou and would have defeated Kuroi Seishi if she was at full strength despite their immense amount of will.Aimenaltair said:
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The only thing 'will' does is prevent TT from using some 'one hit kill' telekenesis techniques like vibrating someone super fast. It doesn't stop her from tossing them around, or throwing things at them, or from deflecting their attacks with her barrier or active TK.
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Well Saitama doesn't seem to be the go to guy on the will department and he can resist it like a breeze
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What, the story talks about his immense will quite often.RadicalMrR said:
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Saitama is on another level of power from anyone in the series, of course he can no sell a lot of moves that lower tiers use as long as they aren't outright hax, and even then a lot of hax depend on being at a similar tier as the target to work.
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1.It doesn't take power to have will.
2.It explictlly states it's due to will not power that makes him immune.
Again you give Piccolo an inch he'll take a mile and if Saitama is the pinnacle of will I think hes got this.
2.It explictlly states it's due to will not power that makes him immune.
Again you give Piccolo an inch he'll take a mile and if Saitama is the pinnacle of will I think hes got this.
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Again, there have been others with immense will that struggled to resist Tatsumaki's TK. Saitama's will is on another level, it's implied it was his will that allowed him to break his limiter.http://img.bato.to/comics/2013/07/06/o/read51d76dc908b0b/img000012.jpg So will shouldn't be a factor in this fight.RadicalMrR said:
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You are suggesting that Saitama doesn't have immense willpower (which the image provided by Spartan suggests that he does) and he could simply resist Tatsumaki's attacks despite lacking in that.RadicalMrR said:
But telekinesis isn't a dura bypass, and Tatsumaki is leagues below Saitama, so even if he didn't have the willpower she wouldn't do anything to him regardless.
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I was never saying Saitama has little will power but when compared to DB characters . . .
My point is Piccolo should be able to the same if not at least be able to resist it quit a bit.
My point is Piccolo should be able to the same if not at least be able to resist it quit a bit.
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Why exactly is it taken for granted that a DB character automatically has comparapable or superior traits to a OPM character by default when the OPM character has the feat in question and the DB character does not? Seems kind of biased in favor of DB tbh
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Ok so DB characters fight to death on daily bases against immpossible odds like Frieza,Cell,Majin Buu,Beerus and despite how bad they get there shit rocked in they continue to fight, and this goes double for Piccolo how is one of the few people who are still relevent.
Yet a state ment about immense will power is better then feats upon feats of immense will power every single ark demonstrated by Piccolo and others.
Thats my stance and if thats not good enough I will gladly show you scans of sheer will power.
Yet a state ment about immense will power is better then feats upon feats of immense will power every single ark demonstrated by Piccolo and others.
Thats my stance and if thats not good enough I will gladly show you scans of sheer will power.
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Defining Willpower. We have many common names for Willpower : determination, drive, resolve, self-discipline, self-control. But psychologists characterize willpower, or self-control, in more specific ways.
If this doesn't describe DB character I sincerly don't know what to say
If this doesn't describe DB character I sincerly don't know what to say
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First of all this should be 23rd budokai piccolo not 22nd, tatsumaki wins this saying piccolo has comparable telekensis to tatsumaki is ridiculous as has already been pointed out tatsumaki has specifically designed telekenesis to counter other telekenesis users that she already mastered as a child, she could easily shut down any telekinetic attacks piccolo would try, though piccolo doesn't even use such attacks on a regular basis. Tornado also has the dc advantage she is rated as large island level+ compared to piccolo's large island level. And saying tatsumaki's telekenesis won't work on piccolo is wrong, what was said about her powers was that her telekinesis doesn't work as well on those with immense will, it has worked with almost everyone tatsumaki has used it on before because well tatsumaki is stronger than a lot of people in her verse but it failed to work as well on saitama and garou (or was it golden sperm? meh it's been a while) because they are far more powerful than tatsumaki, power seems to be directly proportionate to will and as we can see here tatsumaki is still a bit more powerful than piccolo so it won't be an issue against piccolo.
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It's a poorly thought out claim on a tangential point that revolves around an unreliable narrator.
In the first place it's not saitama or someone else who would be credible about saitamas abilities and how they work who makes the 'willpower' statement. It's a guess that someone makes when they see that the particular TK move TT used on saitama isn't working. The idea that saitama is just orders of magnitude above her in power and durability never even occurs to her because of her pride and standing as the 'strongest hero'.
Saitama didn't put in any effort to resist the move, he barely even noticed that something was trying to effect him and shrugged it off like an insect bite or something... it wasn't some big mental battle.
So there's no point in even going down the 'willpower as a defense' route in the first place. Even if you did want to argue 'willpower' as a defence, making vague statements about her much willpower you think DB characters have isn't relevant or quanitifable, not the least of which because the events you are talking about have not happened to this piccolo yet, and he's definately gotten more powerful and gained a stronger 'willpower' over the course of dbz and beyond.
You're trying to claim that piccolo at his absolute weakest before he's really fought anyone who could match him and was basically only born out of an egg recently, has some kind of immense innate featless willpower that he should be protected from a TK user based on an offhand unreliable naration that makes a GUESS that willpower is somehow related to saitama shrugging off the attack - a non hax related attack on a character of a higher tier mind you.
The whole arguement is silly. Piccolo doesn't have any protection from the telekenesis of a same tier enemy, especially not pre-dbz when he hasn't been shown to have any special feats or resistances. Definately not by the virtue of 'being a DB character'.
In the first place it's not saitama or someone else who would be credible about saitamas abilities and how they work who makes the 'willpower' statement. It's a guess that someone makes when they see that the particular TK move TT used on saitama isn't working. The idea that saitama is just orders of magnitude above her in power and durability never even occurs to her because of her pride and standing as the 'strongest hero'.
Saitama didn't put in any effort to resist the move, he barely even noticed that something was trying to effect him and shrugged it off like an insect bite or something... it wasn't some big mental battle.
So there's no point in even going down the 'willpower as a defense' route in the first place. Even if you did want to argue 'willpower' as a defence, making vague statements about her much willpower you think DB characters have isn't relevant or quanitifable, not the least of which because the events you are talking about have not happened to this piccolo yet, and he's definately gotten more powerful and gained a stronger 'willpower' over the course of dbz and beyond.
You're trying to claim that piccolo at his absolute weakest before he's really fought anyone who could match him and was basically only born out of an egg recently, has some kind of immense innate featless willpower that he should be protected from a TK user based on an offhand unreliable naration that makes a GUESS that willpower is somehow related to saitama shrugging off the attack - a non hax related attack on a character of a higher tier mind you.
The whole arguement is silly. Piccolo doesn't have any protection from the telekenesis of a same tier enemy, especially not pre-dbz when he hasn't been shown to have any special feats or resistances. Definately not by the virtue of 'being a DB character'.
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