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Battle of the reset buttons (1 vote left)

Buttersamuri

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It's funny. Cause they both reset and stuff. Anyways.

Speed is equal

9-A versions used

SBA from there.

Who wins and why?

Frisk:

Sigma: 7

Inconclusive/Draw:
 
SBA means they're both in their highest key, if my memory doesn't fail me... then Frisk stomps via Low Multiverse Dura and AP
 
Frisk isn't in their obvious stomp levels Full determination level. No. They are Small Building.
 
Ah, you should have made that clear, since SBA means their highest key, I think. You always have to specify in which key they are. Or else my dum dum brain won't know which key to use except the highest.
 
Hm... Sigma has Multiversal plus in range, I don't know how the range is gonna affect the match but I'm just saying in case if you or somebody else knows
 
That's just his telepathy and mind traveling capability. Nothing physically offensive. He can travel into the infinite multiverse with his mind and see across them. Typically for information or to redo something he screwed up on.
 
Standard weapons for both, so Frisk has their weapons and such, Sigma has Radical 6.
 
Sigma's advantages: Lifting Strength, perhaps Radical 6

Frisk's advantages: Social Influecing and Soul Manip, Acasuality,etc.

The problem: Both of them technically cannot die, as Frisk has self ressurection and Sigma has inmortality, so this turns into a "Let's see who can incap the other". Frisk could probably win with Sleep Manipulation via making him sleep long enough to be considered an incap, although I doubt that they would open with it or hell, maybe even use it at all.
 
Well. Knock out is always a way. It's doesn't kill either of them, and is a way to prevent immorality or resurrection. Or Radical 6 causes one to become unstable and suicidal,
 
Well. Sigma seems like his abilities would let him remember past a reset. Frisk also probably remembers as well. Though, being naturally bigger, giving him better physical range, plus much smarter, he would be able to knock out or incapacitate frisk first. Frisk does have a range weapon. But it's lethal. So it would only result in Sigma resetting. So they would have to resort to physically knocking out Sigma to get an win. But Sigma wins out in physical combat. Both lifting strength, range, plus intelligence.

And if it comes down to it. Radical 6 would manipulate emotion. It honestly would take away Frisk determination by making them suicidal. And if they lose that determination. That's what made them so strong and able to do what they do. So, Radical 6 also likely GG frisk.

Sigma wins via physical Knock out, Incapacitates, or Radical 6 their Determination away
 
>Knocking out or incapacitating Frisk

What prevents SAVE & LOADing from that. You don't need to die for SAVE & LOAD to take effect.

DETERMINATION works differently from determination, Sigma just causing Frisk to kill himself wouldn't make it run out.

And what prevents Frisk from SAVEing Sigma like he did to Asriel?
 
Well. I think I can answer that. Frisk have to be conscious to do that. I think? If Frisk isn't conscious, they wouldn't be able to reset.

And I think the point is it's not the fact it makes Frisk kill themself. It's the fact Frisks determination based on Emotion. And Radical 6 manipulates emotion. It makes you feel hopefulness and suicidal.


And what prevents that? The fact Maximum Frisk did that. Not minimum. And Sogma isn't evil or anything. What is Saving Sigma gonna do?
 
1. No they don't. If you can die and your entire SOUL is destroyed you're definitely not conscious, DETERMINATION can do it's own thing and rewind time anyways.

2. Manipulating emotion does not mean you can manipulate DETERMINATION. They're two distinctly different things.

3. Frisk's social influencing didn't suddenly get better just because Frisk's AP got boosted to 2-C. They should be still as capable of talking as well as normal. Also I wouldn't call Asriel a true "evil" person.
 
1. Fair enough there.

2. Determination is an emotion though. Frisk gets their power from their hope and determination. Radical 6 manipulates emotion. Like making you feel basically hopeless and suicidal. So that does counter

3. Frisk didn't really do much aside from refuse to die and kept trying to save asriel by spamming the save option. It wasn't words that did anything. And Frisk couldn't really do the same thing to Sigma. What's Frisk going to do in those case to stop sigma?
 
Frisk doesn't lack one. They can win by physically fighting or potentially Pacifying. But it's just more likely they don't
 
Frisk doesn't have ways to incap someone for 24 hours straight, and pacifing ony really works on monsters, who are pretty much made of kindness and are litterally weakened by killing intent
 
Yea they do. Knocking him out. That's entirely possible. And that's really not true. That has 0 basis other than the fact Frisk only interacted with monsters. But there is 0 reason why frisks SI wouldn't work on humans
 
Knock-out wouldn't last for 24 hours tho

also, first you would need proof for the positive, not the negative

second, his SL didn't work on Undyne, who was like the only monster that genualy just wanted to kill him, so it wouldn't work here either
 
Knock out is a win.

Also. Your incorrect on this part. Social influencing is able to apply humans. There is 0 reason why it wouldn't. It's a matter of manipulating emotions on a smaller and non supernatural scale. Unless Sigma has any reason to resist it. There isn't reason why it wouldn't work. Else by that logic, Sans only ever used soul hacks on a human. So he can't use it on any other creature other than humans. By that logic.

Yes. Cause Undyne could resist it. Undyne is far more hot headed and kill crazy than the others. Sigma for refrence is not nearly as hot headed as undyne. He is far more level headed and a logical thinker. Killgore_(Cyanide_and_Happiness)
 
Knockout for 24 hours is a win

and no, being able to affect weak willed beings doesn't make you able to affect normal ones, just as being able to manipulate a child wouldn't be the same as an adult

Also, Undyne is not really kill happy, she is for all sense and purposes going easy on Frisk

like, she even basically trains him mid-fight
 
KO is a win condition. You don't have to kill them or knock them out for 24 hours to win. Just knocking their lights out is a considered win.

Frisk doesn't effect just weak minded. Frisk even manipulates the royal guards. Only some starting creatures were weak minded like the froggit. But that doesn't mean every single konster is stupid and weak minded.

She was certainly determined to kill frisk. She only had a bit of honor. You know cause if you intentionally get hit by her attacks the first time you fight. It aggravates her. And she says she gave it to them to defend themselves. Just being honorable. But definitely still wanted to kill frisk.
 
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