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Giorno giovanna vs yukari yakumo
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Wasn't that done shitton of times and always turned out to be a stomp from whatever side?
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Yukari via durability (GER can't death loop if he doesen't kill) and type 3 conceptual manip
This feels like a stomp
This feels like a stomp
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Giorno just turns her willpower to 0 and punches for all eternity
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Same result as Giorno vs Sakuya. GER sets all of Yukari's actions to 0 and incaps her by setting willpower to 0. Voting Giorno.
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What did you expect? That was done 2 times before and was a stomp.
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AP means nothing against Giorno tbh. This guy can screw 2-B guys if they don't resist his hax
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As I see... the RtZ of GER is really overrated
I can understand that GER stomps because infinite speed and those stuffs, but seeing that Speed is =, let's see
First, GER's max range is ten meters considering the rules of the stands, so know, how he can get close to Yukari f she can make those things? Yukari's range is from ten of meters considering that her Danmaku is comparable to Sakuya who is able to throw knives to at least 36 meters, so is superior to GER's range (not considreing his RtZ range because this only applies if he's able to get closest to her). Since speed is equalized there's no reason to say that GER's would easily evade any of those Danmakus, and so he wouldn't be able to go directly and attack Yukari and uses his haxs, one point in favor to Yukari
Second, in a realistic vision Yukari has better haxs than GER. Such things like Causality manip, RW, Void manip, Existence Erasure gives to her more advantage against GER's ability, so since GER it's trying to dodge the Danmaku Yukari would be able to use this abilities against him, another point in favor to Yukari
Third, Yukari has better stats and AP, so dany amage that she do against both Giorno and GER would be fatal, and also she is able to interact/see phantoms or even dream spirits, which aren't normally visible, so stands' intangibility/invisibility wouldn't help here, last point in favor to Yukari
Therefore, Yukari only use Danmaku and refuse both Giorno and GER existence and stomps
Yukari FRA
I can understand that GER stomps because infinite speed and those stuffs, but seeing that Speed is =, let's see
First, GER's max range is ten meters considering the rules of the stands, so know, how he can get close to Yukari f she can make those things? Yukari's range is from ten of meters considering that her Danmaku is comparable to Sakuya who is able to throw knives to at least 36 meters, so is superior to GER's range (not considreing his RtZ range because this only applies if he's able to get closest to her). Since speed is equalized there's no reason to say that GER's would easily evade any of those Danmakus, and so he wouldn't be able to go directly and attack Yukari and uses his haxs, one point in favor to Yukari
Second, in a realistic vision Yukari has better haxs than GER. Such things like Causality manip, RW, Void manip, Existence Erasure gives to her more advantage against GER's ability, so since GER it's trying to dodge the Danmaku Yukari would be able to use this abilities against him, another point in favor to Yukari
Third, Yukari has better stats and AP, so dany amage that she do against both Giorno and GER would be fatal, and also she is able to interact/see phantoms or even dream spirits, which aren't normally visible, so stands' intangibility/invisibility wouldn't help here, last point in favor to Yukari
Therefore, Yukari only use Danmaku and refuse both Giorno and GER existence and stomps
Yukari FRA
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>First, GER's max range is ten meters considering the rules of the stands, so know, how he can get close to Yukari f she can make those things? Yukari's range is from ten of meters considering that her Danmaku is comparable to Sakuya who is able to throw knives to at least 36 meters, so is superior to GER's range (not considreing his RtZ range because this only applies if he's able to get closest to her). Since speed is equalized there's no reason to say that GER's would easily evade any of those Danmakus, and so he wouldn't be able to go directly and attack Yukari and uses his haxs, one point in favor to Yukari
That's a lie, Stands are only ten meters of range? Stands vary between having no range to literally infinite range, Stands like HG are even of the humanoid type and have hundreds of meters of range, you aint making a very good case for yourself if your leading point is straight up bullshit. He doesn't need to get close, RTZ has low multiversal range mate, and it's thought based if not higher. GER can be across the planet and use RTZ just fine, hell his main feat of using RTZ effected the entire universe, did you even read the profile? This entire point is baffling to me because it's based on a lie that RTZ has a set range and Stand's i general have a set range, GER's range is low-multiversal, try again.
>Second, in a realistic vision Yukari has better haxs than GER. Such things like Causality manip, RW, Void manip, Existence Erasure gives to her more advantage against GER's ability, so since GER it's trying to dodge the Danmaku Yukari would be able to use this abilities against him, another point in favor to Yukari
GER wouldnt be trying to avoid danmaku? There wouldnt be any danmaku, the act of even using danmaku never would of happened, he'd never need to dodge because there'd never be any danmaku. Also will power manip shuts this match down from the onset, there wouldnt be any usage of that hax because Yuk wouldnt even want to do any hax.
>Third, Yukari has better stats and AP, so dany amage that she do against both Giorno and GER would be fatal, and also she is able to interact/see phantoms or even dream spirits, which aren't normally visible, so stands' intangibility/invisibility wouldn't help here, last point in favor to Yukari
That's true, she has way higher AP and stats but this aint an AP match. Yuk would need to actually hit GER to kill him but he'd never be touched, Yukari would be unable to even take action against him or even want to take action. (also ot even things that can see ghosts can see Stands for what it's worth so that last point is a toss up)
GER says no to her lead given that this Yuk aint bloodlusted then immediatly incaps at a thought via willpower manip.
That's a lie, Stands are only ten meters of range? Stands vary between having no range to literally infinite range, Stands like HG are even of the humanoid type and have hundreds of meters of range, you aint making a very good case for yourself if your leading point is straight up bullshit. He doesn't need to get close, RTZ has low multiversal range mate, and it's thought based if not higher. GER can be across the planet and use RTZ just fine, hell his main feat of using RTZ effected the entire universe, did you even read the profile? This entire point is baffling to me because it's based on a lie that RTZ has a set range and Stand's i general have a set range, GER's range is low-multiversal, try again.
>Second, in a realistic vision Yukari has better haxs than GER. Such things like Causality manip, RW, Void manip, Existence Erasure gives to her more advantage against GER's ability, so since GER it's trying to dodge the Danmaku Yukari would be able to use this abilities against him, another point in favor to Yukari
GER wouldnt be trying to avoid danmaku? There wouldnt be any danmaku, the act of even using danmaku never would of happened, he'd never need to dodge because there'd never be any danmaku. Also will power manip shuts this match down from the onset, there wouldnt be any usage of that hax because Yuk wouldnt even want to do any hax.
>Third, Yukari has better stats and AP, so dany amage that she do against both Giorno and GER would be fatal, and also she is able to interact/see phantoms or even dream spirits, which aren't normally visible, so stands' intangibility/invisibility wouldn't help here, last point in favor to Yukari
That's true, she has way higher AP and stats but this aint an AP match. Yuk would need to actually hit GER to kill him but he'd never be touched, Yukari would be unable to even take action against him or even want to take action. (also ot even things that can see ghosts can see Stands for what it's worth so that last point is a toss up)
GER says no to her lead given that this Yuk aint bloodlusted then immediatly incaps at a thought via willpower manip.
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Yukari outlives
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^The rule I detest most strikes again.
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Except Incap for over a day is a win condition per SBA. Which GER can do via RTZ.
And incap is a win condition in the op.
And incap is a win condition in the op.
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Does she have Immortality type 1? If not Giorno just makes new organs for himself when he's old as ass and keeps punching :v
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Why would he need to punch? He wins via incap.
Although GER once again may fall into the category of being an unbound Stand like BIG/Anubis/Super Fly/Etc.
Although GER once again may fall into the category of being an unbound Stand like BIG/Anubis/Super Fly/Etc.
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That was just a joke, I know Gio wouldn't do that
Maybe, GER is a Stand acting for himself and speaking for himself. Giorno doesn't really control him.
Maybe, GER is a Stand acting for himself and speaking for himself. Giorno doesn't really control him.
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I honestly believe that Giorno died temporarily when Diavolo smashed his head in given what happened, Diavolo himself even seemed to think that Giorno was dead but was astounded the Stand (GER) was fine.
(also while noncanon, GER acts exactly like that in the novel, not relevant but it is a useful piece of information for general use).
(also while noncanon, GER acts exactly like that in the novel, not relevant but it is a useful piece of information for general use).
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"That's a lie, Stands are only ten meters of range? Stands vary between having no ange to literally infinite range, Stands like HG are even of the humanoid type and have hundreds of meters of range, you aint making a very good case for yourself if your leading point is straight up bullshit. He doesn't need to get close, RTZ has low multiversal range mate, and it's thought based if not higher. GER can be across the planet and use RTZ just fine, hell his main feat of using RTZ effected the entire universe, did you even read the profile? This entire point is baffling to me because it's based on a lie that RTZ has a set range and Stand's i general have a set range, GER's range is low-multiversal, try again."
I'm not saying that aaaall stands have a 10 meters range. What I'm saying is that stands such powerful and physical like GER have the particurallity of having this range, see as an example Za Warudo and Star Platinum. As I say, RtZ range only applies when he affects someone, and that universal range is only defensively, the infinite NoU and death clearly needs to touch the objective (his low multiversal range it's only when he sends anothers to differents deaths, keks), so that still wouldn't affect Yukari unless he gets closest. And what I told you is the base range of Yukari with her Danmaku, she has a multiversal range with her hax. Try again
"GER wouldnt be trying to avoid danmaku? There wouldnt be any danmaku, the act of even using danmaku never would of happened, he'd never need to dodge because there'd never be any danmaku. Also will power manip shuts this match down from the onset, there wouldnt be any usage of that hax because Yuk wouldnt even want to do any hax."
What? I never say that GER wouldn't try to avoid Danmaku, and yeah, maybe he can neg the Danmaku, but since he negs it Yukari can use her other abilities, unless GER showed neg different thing at the same time. And btw, with her Boundary manip she can neg GER actions too, so...
And willpower manip just affect when he touch his victim, and exactly how this work and how it's used?
"That's true, she has way higher AP and stats but this aint an AP match. Yuk would need to actually hit GER to kill him but he'd never be touched, Yukari would be unable to even take action against him or even want to take action. (also ot even things that can see ghosts can see Stands for what it's worth so that last point is a toss up)"
Yeah, that's why any damage to GER and Giorno would be fatal. As I asked, how Willpower manip works, because as far as I know, this just only applies if GER touch the enemy, and I don't think that Yukari lets GER damage her, keks. And what you say it's a NLF, just join the pieces, the stands represents the souls, and she can see souls/dream spirits, do you really think that she wouldn't be able to saw stands?? HmMmMmMmMmMmmm
"GER says no to her lead given that this Yuk aint bloodlusted then immediatly incaps at a thought via willpower manip."
He really showed reduce the will to 0 with a thought? Yukari uses haxs in character, so that's not a problem tho
Yukari just need to negs Giorno and GER existence to win. Even since GER is the representation of Giorno's soul, if she negs his existence then GER would disappear since there's no Giorno's soul more, keks
I'm not saying that aaaall stands have a 10 meters range. What I'm saying is that stands such powerful and physical like GER have the particurallity of having this range, see as an example Za Warudo and Star Platinum. As I say, RtZ range only applies when he affects someone, and that universal range is only defensively, the infinite NoU and death clearly needs to touch the objective (his low multiversal range it's only when he sends anothers to differents deaths, keks), so that still wouldn't affect Yukari unless he gets closest. And what I told you is the base range of Yukari with her Danmaku, she has a multiversal range with her hax. Try again
"GER wouldnt be trying to avoid danmaku? There wouldnt be any danmaku, the act of even using danmaku never would of happened, he'd never need to dodge because there'd never be any danmaku. Also will power manip shuts this match down from the onset, there wouldnt be any usage of that hax because Yuk wouldnt even want to do any hax."
What? I never say that GER wouldn't try to avoid Danmaku, and yeah, maybe he can neg the Danmaku, but since he negs it Yukari can use her other abilities, unless GER showed neg different thing at the same time. And btw, with her Boundary manip she can neg GER actions too, so...
And willpower manip just affect when he touch his victim, and exactly how this work and how it's used?
"That's true, she has way higher AP and stats but this aint an AP match. Yuk would need to actually hit GER to kill him but he'd never be touched, Yukari would be unable to even take action against him or even want to take action. (also ot even things that can see ghosts can see Stands for what it's worth so that last point is a toss up)"
Yeah, that's why any damage to GER and Giorno would be fatal. As I asked, how Willpower manip works, because as far as I know, this just only applies if GER touch the enemy, and I don't think that Yukari lets GER damage her, keks. And what you say it's a NLF, just join the pieces, the stands represents the souls, and she can see souls/dream spirits, do you really think that she wouldn't be able to saw stands?? HmMmMmMmMmMmmm
"GER says no to her lead given that this Yuk aint bloodlusted then immediatly incaps at a thought via willpower manip."
He really showed reduce the will to 0 with a thought? Yukari uses haxs in character, so that's not a problem tho
Yukari just need to negs Giorno and GER existence to win. Even since GER is the representation of Giorno's soul, if she negs his existence then GER would disappear since there's no Giorno's soul more, keks
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That ":v"... HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMSpookyShadow said:
Do you speak spanish right??? :V
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Nope, why so?
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Idk
Maybe because as I know many people that speaks spanish use this, like me xd
Maybe because as I know many people that speaks spanish use this, like me xd
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I can understand, in my native country many people use "xD" while I rarely see anyone from foreign countries using it. Well, at least on other sites 
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O o f, okSpookyShadow said:I can understand, in my native country many people use "xD" while I rarely see anyone from foreign countries using it. Well, at least on other sites
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>I'm not saying that aaaall stands have a 10 meters range. What I'm saying is that stands such powerful and physical like GER have the particurallity of having this range, see as an example Za Warudo and Star Platinum. As I say, RtZ range only applies when he affects someone, and that universal range is only defensively, the infinite NoU and death clearly needs to touch the objective (his low multiversal range it's only when he sends anothers to differents deaths, keks), so that still wouldn't affect Yukari unless he gets closest. And what I told you is the base range of Yukari with her Danmaku, she has a multiversal range with her hax. Try again
That's exatly what you said, don't back pedal. One of the strongest Stands in the franchise (RHCP) has a several kilometer range dude, drop the range bulshit because you keep talking yet it's wrong, it's entirely dependent on the Stand. RTZ doesnt need contact, it's thought based and effects anything it so chooses, even the universe itself. the infinite No U isn't touched based, he did on Mista too, who he never once touched, I'm having doubts that you even read it and the death loop doesn't need contact, what it needs is for a death to happen in the first place. His low-multiversal BFR isnt even apart of the death loop, it just acompanies it and you said yourself, RTZ has universal range defensively and that's what I'm saying, any and all actions Yuk will take will of never happened regardless of distance because RTZ can negate actions and events at universal range. I'm aware of her range, I never questioned it or said she didn't, don't put wors in my mouth, I said GER has said range and the fact he has said range completely invalidates your point, it isnt even worth the effort to disccus it further, you're factually wron on this subject.
>What? I never say that GER wouldn't try to avoid Danmaku, and yeah, maybe he can neg the Danmaku, but since he negs it Yukari can use her other abilities, unless GER showed neg different thing at the same time. And btw, with her Boundary manip she can neg GER actions too, so...
I dont think you understand how this works, he doesnt negate the danmaku more so the fact that Yuk used danmaku in the first place never happened. And most arent aware of RTZ, Diavolo was a special case everyone else, includong Mista, who had his attacks set to zero as well, was completely unaware he did so. Yuk will never use her other abilities because she wont even wnat to fight anymore. Negating GER's actions and making it so his actions never happened are extremely different mate.
>And willpower manip just affect when he touch his victim, and exactly how this work and how it's used?
No, RTZ doesnt need contact, you obviously arent aware of how it funvtions, you're confusing needing to kill someone to activate the death loop with needing to touch someone to use RTZ. And its will power manip exactly as it says.
"That's true, she has way higher AP and stats but this aint an AP match. Yuk would need to actually hit GER to kill him but he'd never be touched, Yukari would be unable to even take action against him or even want to take action. (also ot even things that can see ghosts can see Stands for what it's worth so that last point is a toss up)"
>Yeah, that's why any damage to GER and Giorno would be fatal. As I asked, how Willpower manip works, because as far as I know, this just only applies if GER touch the enemy, and I don't think that Yukari lets GER damage her, keks. And what you say it's a NLF, just join the pieces, the stands represents the souls, and she can see souls/dream spirits, do you really think that she wouldn't be able to saw stands?? HmMmMmMmMmMmmm
Except harming Giorno wouldnt do much to GER and those attacks will have to land or happen except thoe attacks will never occur. Exactly like it sounds like? Yuk wont even wnat to fight or harm Giorno, it's will power manip, it can be used to incap, Yuk has no defense against it. You're wrong omce again, RTZ doesnt need contact, only the very specific action of death looping does. Reading comphrehension, it aint a NLF if there's feats and showings, if Yuk's best feat is only seeing ghosts that may not allow to see GER as GER cant be seen by those that can see ghosts, going by feats. I dont know, that's why I said it's a toss up, pay attention, I wont repeat myself again.
>He really showed reduce the will to 0 with a thought? Yukari uses haxs in character, so that's not a problem tho
Dude he's shown the power to use RTZ when being stuck in a time erase with all his actions fated and preordained without contact or touching anything, it's literally his main feat. She doesnt use her hax like youre suggsting she does and definitely not before GER, who's entire method of offense and defense is said power.
>Yukari just need to negs Giorno and GER existence to win. Even since GER is the representation of Giorno's soul, if she negs his existence then GER would disappear since there's no Giorno's soul more, keks
Good god you really dont know what youre talking about do you? Yuk will never ever do that because of will power manip and she doesnt lead with that, she doesnt even use that as the secondary option, and if it aint the immediate lead she's getting set to zero and incaped. Also there exist multiple Stands who exist post-mortem and even after the user's soul is no more, if youre assuming that because he's a Stand, stop, youre actually embarrising yourself.
That's exatly what you said, don't back pedal. One of the strongest Stands in the franchise (RHCP) has a several kilometer range dude, drop the range bulshit because you keep talking yet it's wrong, it's entirely dependent on the Stand. RTZ doesnt need contact, it's thought based and effects anything it so chooses, even the universe itself. the infinite No U isn't touched based, he did on Mista too, who he never once touched, I'm having doubts that you even read it and the death loop doesn't need contact, what it needs is for a death to happen in the first place. His low-multiversal BFR isnt even apart of the death loop, it just acompanies it and you said yourself, RTZ has universal range defensively and that's what I'm saying, any and all actions Yuk will take will of never happened regardless of distance because RTZ can negate actions and events at universal range. I'm aware of her range, I never questioned it or said she didn't, don't put wors in my mouth, I said GER has said range and the fact he has said range completely invalidates your point, it isnt even worth the effort to disccus it further, you're factually wron on this subject.
>What? I never say that GER wouldn't try to avoid Danmaku, and yeah, maybe he can neg the Danmaku, but since he negs it Yukari can use her other abilities, unless GER showed neg different thing at the same time. And btw, with her Boundary manip she can neg GER actions too, so...
I dont think you understand how this works, he doesnt negate the danmaku more so the fact that Yuk used danmaku in the first place never happened. And most arent aware of RTZ, Diavolo was a special case everyone else, includong Mista, who had his attacks set to zero as well, was completely unaware he did so. Yuk will never use her other abilities because she wont even wnat to fight anymore. Negating GER's actions and making it so his actions never happened are extremely different mate.
>And willpower manip just affect when he touch his victim, and exactly how this work and how it's used?
No, RTZ doesnt need contact, you obviously arent aware of how it funvtions, you're confusing needing to kill someone to activate the death loop with needing to touch someone to use RTZ. And its will power manip exactly as it says.
"That's true, she has way higher AP and stats but this aint an AP match. Yuk would need to actually hit GER to kill him but he'd never be touched, Yukari would be unable to even take action against him or even want to take action. (also ot even things that can see ghosts can see Stands for what it's worth so that last point is a toss up)"
>Yeah, that's why any damage to GER and Giorno would be fatal. As I asked, how Willpower manip works, because as far as I know, this just only applies if GER touch the enemy, and I don't think that Yukari lets GER damage her, keks. And what you say it's a NLF, just join the pieces, the stands represents the souls, and she can see souls/dream spirits, do you really think that she wouldn't be able to saw stands?? HmMmMmMmMmMmmm
Except harming Giorno wouldnt do much to GER and those attacks will have to land or happen except thoe attacks will never occur. Exactly like it sounds like? Yuk wont even wnat to fight or harm Giorno, it's will power manip, it can be used to incap, Yuk has no defense against it. You're wrong omce again, RTZ doesnt need contact, only the very specific action of death looping does. Reading comphrehension, it aint a NLF if there's feats and showings, if Yuk's best feat is only seeing ghosts that may not allow to see GER as GER cant be seen by those that can see ghosts, going by feats. I dont know, that's why I said it's a toss up, pay attention, I wont repeat myself again.
>He really showed reduce the will to 0 with a thought? Yukari uses haxs in character, so that's not a problem tho
Dude he's shown the power to use RTZ when being stuck in a time erase with all his actions fated and preordained without contact or touching anything, it's literally his main feat. She doesnt use her hax like youre suggsting she does and definitely not before GER, who's entire method of offense and defense is said power.
>Yukari just need to negs Giorno and GER existence to win. Even since GER is the representation of Giorno's soul, if she negs his existence then GER would disappear since there's no Giorno's soul more, keks
Good god you really dont know what youre talking about do you? Yuk will never ever do that because of will power manip and she doesnt lead with that, she doesnt even use that as the secondary option, and if it aint the immediate lead she's getting set to zero and incaped. Also there exist multiple Stands who exist post-mortem and even after the user's soul is no more, if youre assuming that because he's a Stand, stop, youre actually embarrising yourself.
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idk I feel a few key powers could get around GER but thse powers aint happening in character or before Ger performs his incap.
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"That's exatly what you said, don't back pedal. One of the strongest Stands in the franchise (RHCP) has a several kilometer range dude, drop the range bulshit because you keep talking yet it's wrong, it's entirely dependent on the Stand. RTZ doesnt need contact, it's thought based and effects anything it so chooses, even the universe itself. the infinite No U isn't touched based, he did on Mista too, who he never once touched, I'm having doubts that you even read it and the death loop doesn't need contact, what it needs is for a death to happen in the first place. His low-multiversal BFR isnt even apart of the death loop, it just acompanies it and you said yourself, RTZ has universal range defensively and that's what I'm saying, any and all actions Yuk will take will of never happened regardless of distance because RTZ can negate actions and events at universal range. I'm aware of her range, I never questioned it or said she didn't, don't put wors in my mouth, I said GER has said range and the fact he has said range completely invalidates your point, it isnt even worth the effort to disccus it further, you're factually wron on this subject."
In first place, RHCP only have that range because he can travel between the electricity and those stuff. Second, GER is not like RHCP, he's more like ST and TW, who has just a 10 meter range because of its physical power (also, RHCP it's not like a very physical stand, and I'm not counting the special powers of ST and TW. What I'm talking about here is that its main range for a direct combat it's just ten meters, and since both seems as the same stand as GER, then he would need to get closest to Yukari for directly punch her, as the same happened with GE) and you don't have proof to refute it
Now... let's talk about GER
RtZ only works in a defensive way, as I told you. So, it's ok that it can neg the Danmaku and those stuff, but that can neg many things at the same time? I don't think so, unless it's proved. Yukari is also clearly intelligent, so I don't think that she's not gonna use all of her abilities in this combat, specially since she gets serious in a real fight, even since she uses every time her Boundary Manip. The RtZ clearly helps Giorno in the combat, but just to defend himself from Yukari's attacks, and this doesn't gives him instant victory for what I sayed before. You don't have any proof to say that the infinite NoU is ranged, literally, it was only activated when GER directly attacked Diavolo, so unless he can get closest to Yukari he can't send her to infinite deaths. The thing with Mista was the RtZ (and it wasn't directly to him, was with the TE of Diavolo), totally different from the Infinite NoU, Even we can take as a reference EoH, when Giorno needed to touch HAD to use it, thing that wasn't happened because HAD neg it, and the loop is the same as the death loop in first place, so still this wouldn't work... unless you think that GER activate in first place the death loop against Diavolo before anything, with is clearly ridiculous
Let's remember that RtZ range it's because he negs Diavolo TE, which has uni range, not because he negs everything at the same time on an universal range, so this still not change anything
And what? I never say that you questioned her range, I just reminded that she has more range with her ability, so I don't see so much problem here tbh. She can also use her gaps to evade GER attacks, separate it from the space-time continuum, and some other stuff. Yes, maybe GER can neg those actions, but if we consider that his range is universal and the things that I mentioned are of a multiversal range, those things are far above GER's range, so maybe, maaybe his RtZ wouldn't work. Also, she affected the border of the Netherworld, which is larger than Hell, an infinite place
"I dont think you understand how this works, he doesnt negate the danmaku more so the fact that Yuk used danmaku in the first place never happened. And most arent aware of RTZ, Diavolo was a special case everyone else, includong Mista, who had his attacks set to zero as well, was completely unaware he did so. Yuk will never use her other abilities because she wont even wnat to fight anymore. Negating GER's actions and making it so his actions never happened are extremely different mate."
┬┐? That was basically the same as neg the Danmaku, And what with that? RtZ it's just defensively, it wouldn't help to harm Yukari in any way, and as I showed to you, death loop only works if touch his victim. Again, how exactly his Willpower manip works? And I don't undesrtand the last that you say, sorry
"No, RTZ doesnt need contact, you obviously arent aware of how it funvtions, you're confusing needing to kill someone to activate the death loop with needing to touch someone to use RTZ. And its will power manip exactly as it says."
I'm not talking about RtZ, I'm talking about Will manip
"Except harming Giorno wouldnt do much to GER and those attacks will have to land or happen except thoe attacks will never occur. Exactly like it sounds like? Yuk wont even wnat to fight or harm Giorno, it's will power manip, it can be used to incap, Yuk has no defense against it. You're wrong omce again, RTZ doesnt need contact, only the very specific action of death looping does. Reading comphrehension, it aint a NLF if there's feats and showings, if Yuk's best feat is only seeing ghosts that may not allow to see GER as GER cant be seen by those that can see ghosts, going by feats. I dont know, that's why I said it's a toss up, pay attention, I wont repeat myself again."
The same as I say above, so this wouldn't do so much. Also, now if we think more about the Will stuff... this is a subset of Empathic Manip, which is literally a mindhax. Now with this stuff, the uses of this kind of abilities and its effects depends on which kind of mind affected and those things, because, it's not the same as affect the mind of a human or any corporeal being than affect the mind of a ghost or some other incorporeal beings
With that already mentioned, does GER's Willpower Manipulation has demonstrated affect an incorporeal mind? Because all Youkai doesn't have a brain such humans, they have instead an incorporeal "mind", this means that mind-based abilities such Will manip wouldn't affect them unless it's demostrated that it affected something non-corporeal, in this case, the incorporeal mind that is the core of a Youkai. So, unless GER's will can affect this things, then he cannot be able to incap Yukari with this
Ayy god. As I told you, she can see invisible spirits that are literally the same as the stands, and can interact with it. If you think those aren't the same as a stand then Idk how to help, keks. How do you know that, even since the stands are the representation of the souls? Obviously someone that can see/interact within ghosts and spirits would be able to see stands, unless you think stands are totally untouchable and invisible. You just need to join the pieces and make the puzzle, if someone is able to see souls that are the same thing as a stand, then it's clearly that can see stands, it's like say that Bleach characters cannot see stands because they only see souls. Even there's something called verse equalizatio, so you point doesn't make any sense
"Dude he's shown the power to use RTZ when being stuck in a time erase with all his actions fated and preordained without contact or touching anything, it's literally his main feat. She doesnt use her hax like youre suggsting she does and definitely not before GER, who's entire method of offense and defense is said power."
RtZ =/= Will manip, and also, I already mentioned why it wouldn't work unless it's showed that can affect incorporeal minds. And nope, she uses her haxs as I mentioned, she basically uses always her Boundary manip, how do you know she can't do it before GER? If we assume the speed unequalized then ok, GER blitz and that, but if we assume the speed equalized, then there's no reason to say that she cannot used her abilities before GER
"Good god you really dont know what youre talking about do you? Yuk will never ever do that because of will power manip and she doesnt lead with that, she doesnt even use that as the secondary option, and if it aint the immediate lead she's getting set to zero and incaped. Also there exist multiple Stands who exist post-mortem and even after the user's soul is no more, if youre assuming that because he's a Stand, stop, youre actually embarrising yourself."
I will refer to what I say above (will and other stuff). She uses her abilities in combat, even when she's under SCR she stil using her main ability, the manipulation of boundaries, see here as an example of what I'm saying. Yeah, exists stands that works post-motern, but if the user is totally erased from the existence? This is totally different from just stay death
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Anyway, I will finish a CRT about 2hu, so if you respond this, maybe I will answer a little bit later, for now I will do another stuff, keks
In first place, RHCP only have that range because he can travel between the electricity and those stuff. Second, GER is not like RHCP, he's more like ST and TW, who has just a 10 meter range because of its physical power (also, RHCP it's not like a very physical stand, and I'm not counting the special powers of ST and TW. What I'm talking about here is that its main range for a direct combat it's just ten meters, and since both seems as the same stand as GER, then he would need to get closest to Yukari for directly punch her, as the same happened with GE) and you don't have proof to refute it
Now... let's talk about GER
RtZ only works in a defensive way, as I told you. So, it's ok that it can neg the Danmaku and those stuff, but that can neg many things at the same time? I don't think so, unless it's proved. Yukari is also clearly intelligent, so I don't think that she's not gonna use all of her abilities in this combat, specially since she gets serious in a real fight, even since she uses every time her Boundary Manip. The RtZ clearly helps Giorno in the combat, but just to defend himself from Yukari's attacks, and this doesn't gives him instant victory for what I sayed before. You don't have any proof to say that the infinite NoU is ranged, literally, it was only activated when GER directly attacked Diavolo, so unless he can get closest to Yukari he can't send her to infinite deaths. The thing with Mista was the RtZ (and it wasn't directly to him, was with the TE of Diavolo), totally different from the Infinite NoU, Even we can take as a reference EoH, when Giorno needed to touch HAD to use it, thing that wasn't happened because HAD neg it, and the loop is the same as the death loop in first place, so still this wouldn't work... unless you think that GER activate in first place the death loop against Diavolo before anything, with is clearly ridiculous
Let's remember that RtZ range it's because he negs Diavolo TE, which has uni range, not because he negs everything at the same time on an universal range, so this still not change anything
And what? I never say that you questioned her range, I just reminded that she has more range with her ability, so I don't see so much problem here tbh. She can also use her gaps to evade GER attacks, separate it from the space-time continuum, and some other stuff. Yes, maybe GER can neg those actions, but if we consider that his range is universal and the things that I mentioned are of a multiversal range, those things are far above GER's range, so maybe, maaybe his RtZ wouldn't work. Also, she affected the border of the Netherworld, which is larger than Hell, an infinite place
"I dont think you understand how this works, he doesnt negate the danmaku more so the fact that Yuk used danmaku in the first place never happened. And most arent aware of RTZ, Diavolo was a special case everyone else, includong Mista, who had his attacks set to zero as well, was completely unaware he did so. Yuk will never use her other abilities because she wont even wnat to fight anymore. Negating GER's actions and making it so his actions never happened are extremely different mate."
┬┐? That was basically the same as neg the Danmaku, And what with that? RtZ it's just defensively, it wouldn't help to harm Yukari in any way, and as I showed to you, death loop only works if touch his victim. Again, how exactly his Willpower manip works? And I don't undesrtand the last that you say, sorry
"No, RTZ doesnt need contact, you obviously arent aware of how it funvtions, you're confusing needing to kill someone to activate the death loop with needing to touch someone to use RTZ. And its will power manip exactly as it says."
I'm not talking about RtZ, I'm talking about Will manip
"Except harming Giorno wouldnt do much to GER and those attacks will have to land or happen except thoe attacks will never occur. Exactly like it sounds like? Yuk wont even wnat to fight or harm Giorno, it's will power manip, it can be used to incap, Yuk has no defense against it. You're wrong omce again, RTZ doesnt need contact, only the very specific action of death looping does. Reading comphrehension, it aint a NLF if there's feats and showings, if Yuk's best feat is only seeing ghosts that may not allow to see GER as GER cant be seen by those that can see ghosts, going by feats. I dont know, that's why I said it's a toss up, pay attention, I wont repeat myself again."
The same as I say above, so this wouldn't do so much. Also, now if we think more about the Will stuff... this is a subset of Empathic Manip, which is literally a mindhax. Now with this stuff, the uses of this kind of abilities and its effects depends on which kind of mind affected and those things, because, it's not the same as affect the mind of a human or any corporeal being than affect the mind of a ghost or some other incorporeal beings
With that already mentioned, does GER's Willpower Manipulation has demonstrated affect an incorporeal mind? Because all Youkai doesn't have a brain such humans, they have instead an incorporeal "mind", this means that mind-based abilities such Will manip wouldn't affect them unless it's demostrated that it affected something non-corporeal, in this case, the incorporeal mind that is the core of a Youkai. So, unless GER's will can affect this things, then he cannot be able to incap Yukari with this
Ayy god. As I told you, she can see invisible spirits that are literally the same as the stands, and can interact with it. If you think those aren't the same as a stand then Idk how to help, keks. How do you know that, even since the stands are the representation of the souls? Obviously someone that can see/interact within ghosts and spirits would be able to see stands, unless you think stands are totally untouchable and invisible. You just need to join the pieces and make the puzzle, if someone is able to see souls that are the same thing as a stand, then it's clearly that can see stands, it's like say that Bleach characters cannot see stands because they only see souls. Even there's something called verse equalizatio, so you point doesn't make any sense
"Dude he's shown the power to use RTZ when being stuck in a time erase with all his actions fated and preordained without contact or touching anything, it's literally his main feat. She doesnt use her hax like youre suggsting she does and definitely not before GER, who's entire method of offense and defense is said power."
RtZ =/= Will manip, and also, I already mentioned why it wouldn't work unless it's showed that can affect incorporeal minds. And nope, she uses her haxs as I mentioned, she basically uses always her Boundary manip, how do you know she can't do it before GER? If we assume the speed unequalized then ok, GER blitz and that, but if we assume the speed equalized, then there's no reason to say that she cannot used her abilities before GER
"Good god you really dont know what youre talking about do you? Yuk will never ever do that because of will power manip and she doesnt lead with that, she doesnt even use that as the secondary option, and if it aint the immediate lead she's getting set to zero and incaped. Also there exist multiple Stands who exist post-mortem and even after the user's soul is no more, if youre assuming that because he's a Stand, stop, youre actually embarrising yourself."
I will refer to what I say above (will and other stuff). She uses her abilities in combat, even when she's under SCR she stil using her main ability, the manipulation of boundaries, see here as an example of what I'm saying. Yeah, exists stands that works post-motern, but if the user is totally erased from the existence? This is totally different from just stay death
Yukari FRA x2
Anyway, I will finish a CRT about 2hu, so if you respond this, maybe I will answer a little bit later, for now I will do another stuff, keks
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Jesus christ dude.
Not how Stand ranges work, at all, I can name off several Stands that have a larger range then SP or The World, The World has a bigger range then SP too even so your point is already bullshit that are humanoid, Weather Report, Whitesnake, RHCP (who can go that far even without electricity), Hierophant Green, Magician's Red, etc. Ignoring the fact all Stands have a different range, GER's range is higher then it was in GE so back up there.
RTZ can be used in many ways, and its accepted. Can it neg many things at once? Yes it can, it negated the time erase, the spatial destruction, Diavolo trying to attack him, Mista firing his gun and unloading 4 bullets, all at once, it effect literally the entire universe at a given time if it so chooses. Yuk can be as smart as she wnats to be, that doesnt give her prior knowledge, changes what she does in character, automatically tells her what her opponent can do and what would be the best lead, etc, she aint gonna start off bloodlusted here or lead with a multitude of hax, not how it works and by the time yuk would try to use that hax it wouldnt matter, itd be far to late. I hope to god you know you linked GER putting him in a death loop, not GER using RTZ, which he used before he even touched Diavolo, upon using RTZ he never made physical contact with Diavolo, that happened after he used RTZ. And as for it effecting Mista, it wasnt even effecting Diavolo, it was effecting time itself. Bad example, GER can RTZ in gameplay without contact and if you wanna use noncanon sources GER can make Giorno deathless, set their death to zero, RTZ can be used without moving and he can even BFR someone with a hand gesture let alone contact. I dont even know what youre talking about, whatever it is it aint what anybody said so moot points in the end, GER did in fact use RTZ before ever touchng Diavolo, his death loop happened after he punched him but that's only because he killed Diavolo there allowing him to set his death to zero, using RTZ on others or anything in general is fine and has been shown to be the case. The only ridiculous thing is how you're outright ignoring what was shown.
GER's willpower manipulation should work on Stands (and may even have dne so on sentiemt stands) and isnt done via empathetic or mind manipulation, it's done via RTZ so likely causality manipulation, which Yuk aint getting around if done.
No it's called feats mate, Stands cant be seen by characters that can see souls, I'm saying this because there's feats for it, characters like Reimi Sugimoto or the mountain youkai couldnt see Stands despite being able to see other souls and ghosts. You can touch and see Stands if you have the feats that allow you to do so but simply being able to see Ghosts aint gonna allow you to see Stands, if you can sense ghosts that may help you to sense a Stand but seeing a ghost aint gonna cut it, Stands have feats that make it so that doesnt work. Not how verse equalization works pal, that wouldonly work if Stands didnt have feats like being invisible to that that can see souls, plus VE is more for equalizing energy and concepts that can be reasonably equalized like ki and chakra.
RTZ is how he uses will power manip, holy shit mate, i dont wanna come off as rude here but you cleary dont know much abut GER or Jojo as a whole. It'd work fine due to how it's perfoemed, Yuk has no resistance to the method. She wont use her hax because that isnt her lead and the hax that she would use maybe as a lead would be RTZ. The extremely dangerous things arent a lead and how do I know GER would use his hax first? Becaue that's in character for him more then it is for Yuk. You're outright ignoring Yuk's in character methods.
If the Stand isnt bound to the user then youre only erasing the user from existence, not the Stand, you gotta do that too.
And fyi I don't need you to try and clarify what Yuk can or can not do, I know more then enough about 2hu as a whole, hell it's my favorite verse in general.
Not how Stand ranges work, at all, I can name off several Stands that have a larger range then SP or The World, The World has a bigger range then SP too even so your point is already bullshit that are humanoid, Weather Report, Whitesnake, RHCP (who can go that far even without electricity), Hierophant Green, Magician's Red, etc. Ignoring the fact all Stands have a different range, GER's range is higher then it was in GE so back up there.
RTZ can be used in many ways, and its accepted. Can it neg many things at once? Yes it can, it negated the time erase, the spatial destruction, Diavolo trying to attack him, Mista firing his gun and unloading 4 bullets, all at once, it effect literally the entire universe at a given time if it so chooses. Yuk can be as smart as she wnats to be, that doesnt give her prior knowledge, changes what she does in character, automatically tells her what her opponent can do and what would be the best lead, etc, she aint gonna start off bloodlusted here or lead with a multitude of hax, not how it works and by the time yuk would try to use that hax it wouldnt matter, itd be far to late. I hope to god you know you linked GER putting him in a death loop, not GER using RTZ, which he used before he even touched Diavolo, upon using RTZ he never made physical contact with Diavolo, that happened after he used RTZ. And as for it effecting Mista, it wasnt even effecting Diavolo, it was effecting time itself. Bad example, GER can RTZ in gameplay without contact and if you wanna use noncanon sources GER can make Giorno deathless, set their death to zero, RTZ can be used without moving and he can even BFR someone with a hand gesture let alone contact. I dont even know what youre talking about, whatever it is it aint what anybody said so moot points in the end, GER did in fact use RTZ before ever touchng Diavolo, his death loop happened after he punched him but that's only because he killed Diavolo there allowing him to set his death to zero, using RTZ on others or anything in general is fine and has been shown to be the case. The only ridiculous thing is how you're outright ignoring what was shown.
GER's willpower manipulation should work on Stands (and may even have dne so on sentiemt stands) and isnt done via empathetic or mind manipulation, it's done via RTZ so likely causality manipulation, which Yuk aint getting around if done.
No it's called feats mate, Stands cant be seen by characters that can see souls, I'm saying this because there's feats for it, characters like Reimi Sugimoto or the mountain youkai couldnt see Stands despite being able to see other souls and ghosts. You can touch and see Stands if you have the feats that allow you to do so but simply being able to see Ghosts aint gonna allow you to see Stands, if you can sense ghosts that may help you to sense a Stand but seeing a ghost aint gonna cut it, Stands have feats that make it so that doesnt work. Not how verse equalization works pal, that wouldonly work if Stands didnt have feats like being invisible to that that can see souls, plus VE is more for equalizing energy and concepts that can be reasonably equalized like ki and chakra.
RTZ is how he uses will power manip, holy shit mate, i dont wanna come off as rude here but you cleary dont know much abut GER or Jojo as a whole. It'd work fine due to how it's perfoemed, Yuk has no resistance to the method. She wont use her hax because that isnt her lead and the hax that she would use maybe as a lead would be RTZ. The extremely dangerous things arent a lead and how do I know GER would use his hax first? Becaue that's in character for him more then it is for Yuk. You're outright ignoring Yuk's in character methods.
If the Stand isnt bound to the user then youre only erasing the user from existence, not the Stand, you gotta do that too.
And fyi I don't need you to try and clarify what Yuk can or can not do, I know more then enough about 2hu as a whole, hell it's my favorite verse in general.
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Bump.
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Don'tThe Coolest Water Bottle said:
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Y e s.
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Dude, just don't. This is a stomp, let it die and fade into obscurity.
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Eh this is a stomp. I would say that Yukari has a chance of getting rid of Giorno's boarder that would hypothetically allow him to have a stand or not, but that's just hypothetical speech. Though the only way that Giorno can win is through willpower reduction and it wouldn't be a death even. He lacks anyway to kill Yukari due to her nature as a Youkai.
