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Goddess Ilias vs Madoka Kaname

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I feel like Iias takes this due to her resistances and overall arsenal, but I'll wait for better discussions.
 
Y'all gotta vote someday, can't just stay there and observe.
 
Looking at Ilias, most of Madoka's passives get resisted besides fate manip, power null (which bypasses resistance), and a few others I can't be bothered to remember.

So it's probably Law Manip vs. Conceptual Erasure here, though how good is Ilias's range in the multiversal+ scale?
 
Well she's probably superior to the White Rabbit, who just...kinda built a multiverse outside of the normal one. So maybe.
 
You'd need "2 multiverses, a realm above that, and 2 universes apart from both" types of range to affect Madoka so
 
So is Madoka faster by being "conceptually omnipresent" as opposed to Ilias being "immeasurable, possibly (normal) omnipresent"?
 
Adding "conceptual" to stuff doesn't make it stronger.

Here it just means that Madoka's a concept.
 
Since Illias only has type 1 acausality she's vulneravle to Madoka's precog which means Madoka is probably starting with law manip here.

Illias needs to conceptually erase Madoka before that happens so how likely is she gonna do that since none of her other options would work on a type 5 acausal
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
Since Illias only has type 1 acausality she's vulneravle to Madoka's precog which means Madoka is probably starting with law manip here.
Illias needs to conceptually erase Madoka before that happens so how likely is she gonna do that since none of her other options would work on a type 5 acausal
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Illias usually starts a fight by using her eletricity manipulation IF she perceives the opponent as much weaker than her. Given how she started her fight against Luka by instantly trying to conceptually erase him though, she would probably do the same to Madoka, given that her power is around the same as Luka (2-A)
 
This is kinda necro-y no?

But otherwise, yeah, Madoka's pre-cog kicks in and either law manip or her new passives take down Illias.
 
I honestly see Madoka undoing Ilias far more likely than the other way around, tbh. UKG is arguably the latter but much stronger, imo, and Madoka was able to YEET it out of existence......well, not permanently, tbf. Also, Ilias is Mid-Godly, which is probably not gonna save her. If she had High-Godly regen, it'd be a far different story here. I'm also a bit interested at how potent her Type 2 Concept Manipulation is.
 
We need one more vote for Madoka. I've counted 6 votes for her already but if I made a mistake and there's 7 then yes it's grace.
 
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