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Super Goku VS GT Goku

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I think Completed Super Saiyan Blue Goku has the AP advantaged. And SSJ4 Goku has no means of countering a Hakai, so I'll vote for Chou Goku.
 
ArgosaxDespair said:
I think Completed Super Saiyan Blue Goku has the AP advantaged. And SSJ4 Goku has no means of countering a Hakai, so I'll vote for Chou Goku.
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It all depends on whose Shaking feat is higher. And Hakai is a bit iffy tbh.
 
DBS Goku gets my vote, now before someone ask me why, here are my reasoning:

1. Before Beerus first made his debut in Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods (this version of Beerus being far weaker than both his anime and manga counterpart) was stated by V-Jump magazine to be without a doubt the strongest character in the history of the Dragon Ball franchise. This isn't talking about canon nor non-canon Dragon Ball, but rather Dragon Ball franchise in general, putting him above the likes of Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta and Future Goku from Dragon Ball GT. Akira Toriyama despite knowing the existence of Dragon Ball GT, even stated that Beerus was the strongest in the universe, and that there was nothing higher.

2. Before someone mention this, "but what about the characters that later showed up and stated to even be more powerful than Beerus?", again, this two statements were about Beerus before he even made his debut in Dragon Ball franchise about him not other characters that came after him, and he already got two different official statements that puts every Dragon Ball GT characters to shame.

3. Guess who are the two characters that are stronger than Beerus currently in Dragon Ball Super? Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultimate Burning Ultimate Warrior Jiren. This should easily tell you who would win in a battle between DBS Goku and DBGT Goku.
 
This wiki doesn't have enough people for 24 hours to be considered plenty. Just look at this thread, it started September 1st and ended October 23rd. One of the guy's vote for Chou goku wasn't even counted. These FRA trains are cheap as hell and you know it. I say grace period should be a week.
 
GT. The feats are far greater. Especially when calc scaling would put Goku far above Chou Goku with UI. Chou isn't known for many feats in the 1st place. I doubt Goku needs Super Saiyan 4 but if he does then he'll absorb his God Ki from his blast ball and become SSGSS4 then Choke Slam UI Goku.
 
We don't know if GT goku would be able to absorb god Ki and I doubt it would turn him into a form that doesn't even exist. To the point of feats, dragon ball Chou has the greater level of multi galaxy feats because they stem form him almost destroying the universe. On top of that Chou has a multi galaxy+ key and GT goku does not.
 
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He absorbs Ki that's all. God Ki is Perfect Ki Control. That's all. Mechanic wise SSGSS4 can exist thus a valid feat. Feat wise Omega can rot away all the 4th dimensional constructs with an astronomical stretch of Ki. Easily when densed it can do far more damage that's far above Universal+
 
There are no statements of him being able to destroy the timeline. Nor is there any proof that god Ki can be absorbed. God Ki has not shown to be absorbable, Moro was absorbing there life force/genki not their God Ki. GT goku wouldn't be able to properly use god Ki if he absorbed it because you need the knowledge of how to control it taught to you by an angel.
 
Strawman Fallacy i: I never argued they could destroy a timeline(even tho I can make an arguement for it tho).

God Ki lacks any variables from feats to be unabsorbably. That's just headcanon my guy. Broly has God Ki in Super Tenkaichi Budokai. No angel helped him. No angle helped God Goku control Super Saiyan God during his fight with Bill's.

God Ki is nothing more but raising your Ki within yourself. Never have they shown the properties to be different. Quite frankly you pulled a name fallacy.

Fallacy total: 2
 
You said universal+ on this wiki that means timeline.

You need the knowledge of Ki control in order to use god Ki that's why goku could not use super saiyan god after the ritual wore off. He didn't have the knowledge of flawless Ki control.
 
Universal+ is destroying the temporal portion of the dimension the last time I checked.

God ki is perfect ki control. It's just another name for it. They've never explicitly shown to be different but rather the same actual.

Goku lost God because it's time limit was off. Not because his ritual amps wore off. Especially since he didn't get billions of times weaker in niether battle of gods continuity.
 
Yeah that means timeline.

God Ki has only shown to be obtained through 2 ways and also stated that those are the only 2 ways. So yes they are explicitly different. You made the claim that GT goku can absorb a type of Ki he has never even heard of, you must provide the evidence.
 
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Never did it say timeline. The best i see is spacetime. Until i see it then it doesn't specifically say destroy a timeline is Universal+. Other people who refferenced this site has told me what Uni+ is & never said timeline. Of course timeline devastation is greater than destroying an infinite amounts of infinite multiverses because between 2 points in time is an infinite points in times & they can contain infinite multiverse within each point in time. So i doubt Universal+ is an accurate name for timeline levels of Destruction.

Never did they say "only these 2 ways" Never have they shown to be different "God Ki" has no feats of being non absorbable. Until shown it lacks that ability. That's just the pragmatics of burden of proof. Absorption is simple storing the ki within yourself. Nothing too complex that would question its potential.
 
Again? I've explained to you how you have to handle these discussions.
 
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