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Battler Ushiromiya at full power vs Living Tribunal
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Battler Ushiromiya vs Living Tribunal
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Anyways Battler should win this easily.
E9 is infinite in scale and quantity and can negate all sorts of fictional powers, not to mention the Golden Key which can attack using the most powerful form of the Golden Truth, a top tier conceptual attack, LT got owned by normal yet overpowered energy blasts from 3 Beyonders, no conceptual attack there.
Also, as the Endless Sorcerer stats are practically irrelevant to him as he is all about conceptual attacks / defenses that are infinite in scale.
E9 is infinite in scale and quantity and can negate all sorts of fictional powers, not to mention the Golden Key which can attack using the most powerful form of the Golden Truth, a top tier conceptual attack, LT got owned by normal yet overpowered energy blasts from 3 Beyonders, no conceptual attack there.
Also, as the Endless Sorcerer stats are practically irrelevant to him as he is all about conceptual attacks / defenses that are infinite in scale.
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I have no idea where you got the info that Tribunal got defeated by 3 Beyonders when technically there was only PR Beyonder that had faced him. Other than that, LT stomps.Goku Wukong said:
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How does LT win? He has no answer for the conceptual barrier created by Endless Nine.
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I I remember correctly, DarkLK told me that Battler is probably 15-dimensional, whereas LT is at least 16-dimensional. On the other hand, Battler has the potential to reach much higher than that.
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Yeah but to be fair, LT just exists as a 16 dimensional entity, and doesn't have feats of destroying 16 dimensional spaces.Antvasima said:
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He got beaten by the Beyonders, who got beaten by 3 dimensional beings. Battler on the ohter hand can't be beaten by anything other than conceptual attacks due to Endless Nine.Antvasima said:
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Marvel Comics are not the least bit consistent or logical in terms of power scaling, regarding how 3-dimensional beings could possibly beat Beyonders. Tom Brevoort even admitted on his Tumblr blog that this is done for the sake of the storytelling, so people won't just look at the statistics and know the outcome. However, if we are simply going by their respective highest displayed levels, which for the LT is being an at least 16-dimensional entity, then it was probably higher than Battler.
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Basic Magic: As a sorcerer he can turn his imagination in reality with ease, still he cannot perform magic title except his own one
Endless Magic: Battler's title magic, inheritated from Beatrice. He can raise the value of 1 to infinite. he can repeat any situation infinite times, this include killing and revival, creation and destruction, the games.Probably he can also return a being to its original form
Summoning: As he received Beatrice's powers and became the territory lord of the fragment. He can summon furniture with the one Beatrice had a contract, these are Goat Butlers, The Seven Stakes of Purgatory, Ronove and Gaap.
Truths: Truths are moves used in debates between human and witches, while they're arguments they usually take the form of powerful conceptual weapons that damages the concept of her target. Because truth is a conceptual move, it cannot be avoided, but can be confronted with other truths. In the first part of the story he can use only the blue truth, when he becames a sorcerer he gained the usage of red and gold truths.
Golden Longsword: The red key that impaled him turned gold due to Beato's sacrifice and his new knowledge of the truth. Now it recognizes Battler as its master and shares the same properties of a Red Key (that means that denies evation, escape, defense, buying time, and cause conceptual damage that wounds the existance of the target). The sword slash with red and blue truth, and can perform the gold truth
Red Truth: Anything said in red is truth and no proof is required to that, to say the truth, the sorcerer must know the truth. If he were to lie in red, he'll choke and will be unnable to speak. It had been stated that by the use of red truth the existance of fictional beings like the witches can be denied, an thus they'll stop existing. Battler's red truth is performed by his golden longsword
Blue Truth: Battler uses it frequently. It's used as a theory that works as counter argument to the oponent's statement, the Blue truth sometimes take the form of an stake that impales the oponent; the oponent won't be able to remove the stake in any possibel way untill he/she found a way to counter the blue truth's argument using the red truth. Battler's blue truth takes the form of an stake or blade, and when he becames the endless sorcerer he uses it with the golden longsword.
Game Master: Battler is the game master of the sixth game and the first one of the episode eight, with this rank, he is omniscient about all the success in Rokkenjima as he created them (however he doesn't know about the detective's behaviour). He can reach a more higher plane of existance, the plane of the Game Master in the one He "regulates the game". Whenever Battler create a game, this game is contained in a Kakera in the endless sea of fragments, every Kakera is stated to contain an universe, thus by creating a game, he creates a new universe in the one the only differences are the success in the Rokkenjima's massacre. He can use the gold truth as a Game Master.
Gold Truth: An unique truth that can only be used by the game master, this truth works similar as a red truth and wavers in a different fashion than the red truth. Sometimes it can be inferior, but other superiors. When is superior it can easily bypass a red truth. Its real function has never be properly explained, but is hinted that it had some relationship with the statement of the rules of the game. Battler uses it with his golden longsword
Endless Nine: An absolute shield unique to Battler, it's based in his skeptiscism, his fierce determination to prove that magic wasn't involved in the murders, gave him a pink barrier that protects him from absolute all magical attacks, as magic in Umineko is all that is fiction, he is practivally invulnerable to all fictional attacks. The barrier wavers from 1 to 9, 1 being the weakest while 9 being the strongest, able to block god's attacks. Battler took the nine and multiplied it by infinite.
Endless Magic: Battler's title magic, inheritated from Beatrice. He can raise the value of 1 to infinite. he can repeat any situation infinite times, this include killing and revival, creation and destruction, the games.Probably he can also return a being to its original form
Summoning: As he received Beatrice's powers and became the territory lord of the fragment. He can summon furniture with the one Beatrice had a contract, these are Goat Butlers, The Seven Stakes of Purgatory, Ronove and Gaap.
Truths: Truths are moves used in debates between human and witches, while they're arguments they usually take the form of powerful conceptual weapons that damages the concept of her target. Because truth is a conceptual move, it cannot be avoided, but can be confronted with other truths. In the first part of the story he can use only the blue truth, when he becames a sorcerer he gained the usage of red and gold truths.
Golden Longsword: The red key that impaled him turned gold due to Beato's sacrifice and his new knowledge of the truth. Now it recognizes Battler as its master and shares the same properties of a Red Key (that means that denies evation, escape, defense, buying time, and cause conceptual damage that wounds the existance of the target). The sword slash with red and blue truth, and can perform the gold truth
Red Truth: Anything said in red is truth and no proof is required to that, to say the truth, the sorcerer must know the truth. If he were to lie in red, he'll choke and will be unnable to speak. It had been stated that by the use of red truth the existance of fictional beings like the witches can be denied, an thus they'll stop existing. Battler's red truth is performed by his golden longsword
Blue Truth: Battler uses it frequently. It's used as a theory that works as counter argument to the oponent's statement, the Blue truth sometimes take the form of an stake that impales the oponent; the oponent won't be able to remove the stake in any possibel way untill he/she found a way to counter the blue truth's argument using the red truth. Battler's blue truth takes the form of an stake or blade, and when he becames the endless sorcerer he uses it with the golden longsword.
Game Master: Battler is the game master of the sixth game and the first one of the episode eight, with this rank, he is omniscient about all the success in Rokkenjima as he created them (however he doesn't know about the detective's behaviour). He can reach a more higher plane of existance, the plane of the Game Master in the one He "regulates the game". Whenever Battler create a game, this game is contained in a Kakera in the endless sea of fragments, every Kakera is stated to contain an universe, thus by creating a game, he creates a new universe in the one the only differences are the success in the Rokkenjima's massacre. He can use the gold truth as a Game Master.
Gold Truth: An unique truth that can only be used by the game master, this truth works similar as a red truth and wavers in a different fashion than the red truth. Sometimes it can be inferior, but other superiors. When is superior it can easily bypass a red truth. Its real function has never be properly explained, but is hinted that it had some relationship with the statement of the rules of the game. Battler uses it with his golden longsword
Endless Nine: An absolute shield unique to Battler, it's based in his skeptiscism, his fierce determination to prove that magic wasn't involved in the murders, gave him a pink barrier that protects him from absolute all magical attacks, as magic in Umineko is all that is fiction, he is practivally invulnerable to all fictional attacks. The barrier wavers from 1 to 9, 1 being the weakest while 9 being the strongest, able to block god's attacks. Battler took the nine and multiplied it by infinite.
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Basically Battler is heavily reliant on conceptual hax, which Living Tribunal has no answer for. No one in Marvel has displayed any sort of conceptual hax.
Endless Nine can't be broken through by anything other than conceptual attacks. Truths can only be confronted by other conceptual attacks.
Endless Nine can't be broken through by anything other than conceptual attacks. Truths can only be confronted by other conceptual attacks.
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Well, those are good points, although if the LT at its highest would exceed his dimensional scale, all of those abilities would still be akin to a drawing on a paper to it. However, I am not certain regarding how high that Battler really is? You would have to ask DarkLK about it. He is an expert regarding these sort of things.
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Battler take this
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Battler dimension is higher than LT, in eos battler Staying in the same place with featherine as its editor
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