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Genie 2019

Bump. I currently have access to the movie so if someone makes him a profile I can compile relevant evidence in streamable to link there.
 
Genie is probably universal by statement alone and by Jafar making the wish "Genie make me the most powerful being in the universe" and than was turned into a genie.
 
Sounds right. Though will it be a 3-A universe or a Low 2-C thing ? Also, i likely think Sorcerer Jafar would be at least Tier 7 and indeed probably Tier 6 while normal Jafar (before the wishes) is likely 10-A or 9-C.
 
That's not universal at all. I will inform you both that being the most powerful of something in the universe is not the same as being able to destroy it. I hope this is clear.
 
Doubt I would at least put him universal (nigh-omnipotent) , someone or something obviously had more power than the genies in order to bind them and their incredible power.

Someone else explained it better.

Screenshot 20191023 021121

And about Genies rules. When explaining all of this to Aladdin, Genie says something quite revealing. "I can't bring people back from the dead. It's not a pretty picture... I don't like doing it!" Note that he says that doesn't like doing it, which implies that these three rules are more or less self-imposed, because even if he prefers not to, he's physically capable of resurrecting people and has done so at least once before.

That means Genie can avoid the rules or it probably just self imposed.

So yeah nigh-omnipotent genie seems good and like I said Jafar wished to be the most powerful being in the Universe and Genie did just that.
 
Genies are not omnipotent. They're not free to do whatever they want, they still have to obey their master and i don't know about the resurrection thing (though it seems to indicate they can only resurrect people as zombies and not as full persons, wich means they're limited) but Genie says he cannot force people to fall in love if i remember correctly. Also, Omnipotence has a very large meaning depending on the verse. God is the omnipotent being in the Arrowverse but he is "only" 2-A while Chaos is omnipotent in the Percy Jackson verse as Low 2-C. And even tier 0 like Azathoth don't have Omnipotence.
 
Does anyone know that verse in which God created the universe but it also took it 7 days to make the planet? With each of those being eternal days?

Omnipotence means nothing, period. There doesn't need to be any evidence against it. It could just mean that that one has access to many powers, or is the most powerful in the verse, or that it can do powerful stuff, quickly or eventually, the latter being useless. Even if done quickly it still doesn't guarantee anything, it's just as much as a vague statement as one saying that it has infinite power or that it can do anything.
 
Genies are Forced to obey their masters and no matter what happens if the master wishes for something it Has to happen no matter what.

Jafar wished to be the most powerful thing in the universe and genie was forced to give him that wish, it's pretty much clear cut what happened and we all know how the wish mechanism works.

Genie said that unless your wish is not clear a bad genie could literally use some of the gray area to F-up your wish.

So Genie should at least be 3-A to unknown.
 
I'm actually interested but i still need to know about the tier at the beginning (the storm), especially since i'm not really good at calculations. Of course if there is someone else who wants to do it, why not.
 
ALADDIN (2019) - Deleted Scene - Wrong Wishes
ALADDIN (2019) - Deleted Scene - "Wrong Wishes"

proof that genie is not bound by rules or anything and one person literally wished to have the power of the universe in their ends but it back fired badly.

So yeah Genie is 3-A the scenes might not be in the movie but we can clearly see how intentional it was when they kept repeating through out the movie that genie was all powerful and whatever.


The only reason the scenes are not in the movie was because of issues with some CGI, time constraints, and other things.

Also Genie lied by saying he could not fo any of those things he just didn't feel like doing theme again,he said to AL he might not be all knowing but if he learn something he can perfect it.


3-A genie and these feats supports it.
 
It's not vague at all, he literally says he wants the hold the power of THE universe in is hands and 2 seconds later that's what literally happens, genie says that you have to be careful how your word out your wishes because if there's no details in it he is going to grant it in the literal sense.

So no it's not vague, hell the entire movie genie as to remind AL to be careful how he words out his wish.

Saying it's vague is just baseless claims.


What's vague about it its clear cut normal English taken in the literal sense, since the were talking about the literal universe.

And last time I check there's only one meaning for the word Universe.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
What is meant by power of the universe? Could mean many things, not all of which is universal.
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Genie says that when he grants wishes they are granted in the literal sense, also the guy did not just whish for universal power he wished for the power of THE universe in his hands and genie gave the power of THE literal universe in his hands.


You are trying to make it look and sound vague when there's absolutely nothing vague about it.


And again the ENTIRE movie keeps reminding the audience how gene's powers works and when you make a wish it is to be made in the literal sense if not detailed.

The first guy wished to be irresistible to every women that set eyes on him it happened, second guy wished for the power of the Universe in his hands there was a scene that showed literally that and it happened,and than there was the third guy that wished to able to turn everything he touched into hold guess what?

It happened and when he touched his own hands he himself turned into gold.

All these wishes were poorly worded out and they were all made literal by genie you are trying to argue an unsustained and irrelevant case, when again the whole movie makes several expositions that what you wish for will happen exactly like you worded it out.

Also dosent burden of proof falls on you to actually prove that these statements are actually vague and unreliable, I have shown feats and proof but you have failed to show that any of this is actually vague or unusable.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
You literally can't tell what happened during the power of the universe scene, the rest is just reality warping.
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What are you talking about you could literally see what was happening the ball of energy was the power of the universe gathering and than like the guy wished it went straight through is hands killing him.

And again burden of proof falls on you.
 
Yeah so lets try and have the genies feats calced as a single vague ass statement is not enough to get any rating. the scene doesn't tell me anything, how the heck do we quantify the power of the universe? what is it referring to? Heat? Potential energy? Chemical Energy? Magic nonsense energy? Power of the universe isn't quantifiable AFAIK
 
We already have calcs for universal power we just have to put him baseline and that's it and slap an unknown right next to it.


Also none of you actually provided why it is actually vague have any of read through out my comments at all? Genie is literally doing the same exposition as Robin Williams genie but with out the planet and sun thing.

Also this was not the Only statement said in the entire movie from point A of the movie all the way to the point B we have several statements of the genie saying how he is all powerful, and universal plus Jafar wish.


So again none of have proved anything.


Plus it is clearly shown that they tried to animate the power of the universe scene but like I said and told by the staff doing CGI for certain scenes is hard so it had to be cut plus they were on a deadline.


Try harder mate.
 
The power of the universe didn't do anything other than kill the guy and cause some lightning/lighting effects. If it were literally universal power, it would have done a whole lot more.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
The power of the universe didn't do anything other than kill the guy and cause some lightning/lighting effects. If it were literally universal power, it would have done a whole lot more.
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Because Genie made sure no else gets hurt he literally says in the movie he goes out of his way to not hurt and kill other people.

Hell if he dosent likes he won't save you, but he makes sure that other people won't get F-up by your mistakes he made it one of is rules to not kill anyone.

So again you haven't proven anything.
 
@AshenCrow777 None of that is universal at all. "The power of the universe" is a meaningless statement that gives him nothing as it can logically be interpreted in many ways that do so. You are just doing it in a way that that means universal, which is a headcanon.
 
Eficiente said:
@AshenCrow777 None of that is universal at all. "The power of the universe" is a meaningless statement that gives him nothing as it can logically be interpreted in many ways that do so. You are just doing it in a way that that means universal, which is a headcanon.
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None of you have proven anything and it goes to show that you have all ignored the plot and what as been going on in the movie.

Plus I would like you too avoid calling peoples arguments headcannon when you your self have still failed to prove anything except for "it's too vague" unlike you I have provided actual information but you?

"blah blah blah vague blah blah headcannon"


All of you have been repeating the same thing without proven why these statements are vague or if the actual have any other meanings.
 
Calm down, dude. By talking like that you are doing nothing but look suspicious.

"The plot" and "what as been going on in the movie" sound like context you allow yourself to believe matters here. But it doesn't. As I said, "the power of the universe" means nothing.

It is a headcanon and that is a fact. What part of "it can logically be interpreted in many ways" is not clear? You just took one of them, which is not the most logical & reasonable one. I do not need to prove that something doesn't mean universal, you were trying to prove it does mean that and I told you you were wrong. I also told you why you were wrong yet you think I need to prove it.

Here's one interpretation that takes less speculation than univeral Genie; The power of the universe means his Reality Warping, his ability to use many powers. Just that.
 
The 3-A thing was never going to pass anyway due to insubstantial proof so I guess this thread can be closed for now? Or it can be kept open for feats compilation for the actual profile's creation.
 
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