Furi: Some Revisions

So, I just replayed Furi because it's a forking awesome game. Now that I look at it in retrospect, it also has a few issues with it's stats

The Chai
... How exactly is a storm being around his joint not Environmental Destruction

He doesn't exactly shoot the stranger with magic hax megabeams, so it's not like we can scale magical potency and such, we don't see him using any weather machine that creates storms, nor do we see said machine take less or comparable power to his energy weapons

In fact, the storm doesn't even disappear when he dies. It just kinda shows up for the boss fight, and there's no real correlation beyond scenery

So, first Low 7-B feat is a no go, but what about the other one?

The Strap
But when was it ever implied they blew the entire structure up? They describe how they tried to tear through it but it kept regenerating, but that doesn't imply that the entire thing was exploded then just came back together. This is especially contradicted in game, considering that the environment takes awhile to regenerate after it's hit, and when the strap does her sweeping beam across the place, the only thing that's destroyed are the pillars and walls of the arena, nowhere near blowing apart the entire prison (And logically sending it tumbling to the ground as a result, since nothing would keep it floating if everything in it exploded)

It would probably be better to calc them using their laser to vaporize the arena pillars, since they can do that with the big sweep near the end of the fight, which The Stranger can take hits from pretty fine

Speed
I know we brought up the laser calc on another thread, but the reasons for shooting it down were pretty weird

From my recollection, it's because the thing that fires the laser also fires other projectiles which aren't lasers, which isn't really a disqualifier. Energy weapons can have multiple settings, and the beam functions way differently then other projectiles

But what about the properties of the beam itself?

Well...

• It goes in a straight line and doesn't bend on anything (I'm told it can be refracted upon metal but I don't remember that ever happening considering it's unblockable)
• It vaporizes metal, showing properties of heat, but it also can knock the stranger back (Game Mechanics? Plenty of other non physical things knock them back simply because that's how the game works)
• Goes significantly faster than any other projectile we see in the game and goes at the same speed in every shot

There was also an argument that this "wasn't enough", but, there are no contradictions besides something that's probably game mechanics, and it's shown to act in every way a laser does. It looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, comes out of a duck, yet we're saying it can't be a duck

Abilities
In retrospect, a lot of this stuff is pretty wack

Immortality (Types 2 and 5)

He isn't immortal because the concept or idea of death in verse can't attack him and because he can keep going in spite of damage, he's stated outright to have Regenerationn. The Chain says as much, and him having no wounds from being impaled and everything else only seems to provide more backing to it being that.

Instinctive Reaction (was able to dodge The Burst's stealth attacks purely instinctively)

This doesn't seem like instinct, so much as just him keeping an awareness of his surroundings and reacting accordingly

Immutability (not a single scratch despite the fact that we know The Stranger has been around and fighting for a long time, and he has been severely tortured by The Chain)

This is just him regenerating, not being invulnerable to harm. Otherwise he wouldn't be, you know, actually harmed and impaled by weapons.

Power Nullification (The Line said himself The Stranger was responsible for him losing his ability to forsee the future)

The problem I have hear is that the line is talking pretty metaphorically here

Like, he says things like "Time is a picture in motion through eternity" and that The Stranger showing up made the picture stop, and that the line wants to make his clocks tick again. Obviously, The Stranger didn't literally cause time itself to completely halt, considering it can pass just fine until the Line stops it for himself. If I had to guess, he's more just referring to how everyone's lives were going as they usually do, then it stopped because The Stranger showed up and started wrecking things. But, generally, the way he speaks is really weird, and I don't think we should take it at face value to assume that he's able to nullify precognition by standing there.

Teleportation

The Stranger never actually teleports, at most he just dashes from one spot to the other in a blur.

Resistance to Gravity Manipulation (walks on water, resists falling from great heights without any sort of help)

... He isn't even actually walking on water here, his feet go below the surface a little bit. Then again, the Scale also later drags them under the water for an attack, but... eh it's weird, like a lot of this game honestly, which is why I like it

Just being able to fall well is more a dura or skill feat. You don't have to resist gravity to not get yeeted against the pavement, especially when you're Tier 7 (/8 depending on how high recalcs get)

Corruption (His very presence causes the area around him to decay)

I'm fine with this, but, for one, it should be specified to be Type 2, and for two, it should be non combat applicable. Even when he stands next to perfectly ordinary people, these effects don't really do anything. I don't see why someone like The Beat, who's just a kid with tech, should be able to resist it. Then again, maybe everyone just resists it except for grass and the ground, I dunno

In Conclusion
Furi is cool but it also has plenty of room to be wack that we've kinda used rather liberally by the looks of things

Also, I should probably calc the flight suit feat we currently rate as in the rel range

I'd also argue his Type 5 is more Type 4 than anything.

I disagree with the Low 7-B arguments presented but I'm lukewarm over the tier since it hardly matters to me.

Walking on water can be as little as significant control of his body. It should be something, since the water is clearly deeper, but still.

I disagree heavily with your interpretation of the Line. The man wasn't speaking a metaphor- he literally states he can no longer see the future because of you. You block his perception of time beyond you. Power Null works fine.

Agree with removing teleportation.

He doesn't resurrect, it's stated in game to be Regenerationn

That should be elaborated on more

It's never really explained, so I don't know what power to put on it. It's definitely not resistance to gravity

He also says that the picture that is time entirely stopped, and it's clearly moving throughout the game when the line himself isn't stopping it. He doesn't even really bring up anything about precog beyond "Oh yeah, I knew you were going to break out, I just didn't know how far you'd get". He's not speaking entirely literally.

Regenerationn from death is still resurrection. That logic would essentially be like saying he should get type 5 since they might have said "He's immortal". What it does is separate from what its called.

I think the implications are strong enough but I'm not willing to have a drawn out argument over the game for the tier since it doesn't matter much and I'm willing to bet I'm in the minority.

Body Control is the weakest one I can think of for that so I'd go with that.

I take that as in time has stopped because the movie he was watching (the future) is not moving forward. Because you're there. This is so very clearly not a metaphor.

That's not really how we treat it. Regen is a different ability entirely. And it's not even indicated that his regen is something that jumpstarts him back up whenever he's beaten down, he just takes whatever hits him and is entirely fine, only sometimes being knocked out for a few seconds

If that's the case, point to something that actually suggests that The Chain made the storm with his own powers and that The Strap once blew up the entire prison. Cause I don't see anything that the game actually puts forward to suggest it, and I can't argue a negative.

He doesn't say anything about watching time. He just compares time to a picture moving through eternity. In fact, allow me to bring up the definition of a metaphor for comparison:

"A figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable."

In this case, Time is compared to a picture in motion. It is not literally a picture, and when it stops, time is not literally halted. By the books, this is a metaphor, and he doesn't even say anything along the lines of him being unable to see the future at all. Just that the flow of time has stopped, which could refer to just the world being out of it's usual order, or something of that likeness.

Coming back to life is not. Resurrection is the ability to return to life, Regenerationn is the ability to reform yourself to some extent. Both are applicable.

Like I said. Not super super interested. Also I don't care much about the Strap's storm, just that both feats are Low 7-B. Downgrade away if it suits you.

He does make implications. Being purposefully ignorant of his musings on his inability to see the future anymore doesn't change that. I'm fairly sure bunny man even references this directly. And... actually, for a precog user, it would be literally a picture. He stops being able to see the future. That is what happens.

Such a beautiful game and the music, so good.


I can agree the 7-B feat is not combat applicable.

I disagree he has resistance to gravity, but he does walk on the water and it is deep as The Scale shows.

For Teleportation could it be statistics amplification since the Dash ability is solely a speed amp for a short time, I mean he is even able to charge his attacks.

I agree with Bambu here.

We don't give resistance to gravity manipulation iirc.

I mean

If someone can resist it then they can resist it, that's not the issue, it just isn't portrayed as Gravity Manip. It's just walking on water.

He doesn't really ever get killed and need to come back to life. I don't think we need to over complicate things by adding immortalites he technically gets I guess, when just listing Type 3 with Low Mid would get the point across

If he was unable to use precog due to the stranger being there, he wouldn't be able to actually see him escape. That's a pretty outright contradiction to the idea that the stranger also made him unable to see the future. The Voice talks about how "If he's such a master, why didn't he do something about it, or at least warn me?", and it doesn't really get elaboration beyond that (The Voice even kinda appears questionable throughout the game, with him dismissing most of the bosses and their motivations, while you can see them clear as day once you actually fight them, making you conflict over what exactly you believe).

Staff don't consider resistance to gravity a thing that's what I mean. Main reason DB characters don't have it

But yeah seems like it didn't seem to be gravity anyway

Boi

I'm aware of actual resistance to gravity manip and this ain't about DB.

Moving on, Stranger doesn't have it.

Bump

I should sit down and do some of the calcs laid out here, like a more reliable one for strap's AP and the flightsuit's speed

Bump

Now that I'm looking at the logistics of it, The Strap's feat is pretty tough to get down to, since I'd have to compare Rider standing directly next to one of the things, which can't happen since walls disappear when you're at the only good angle.

I might have to take an unorthodox thing to measure in order to get it done

Has any progress been made on tiering this verse? I'm being asked to help bring it up to standard. I'm thinking we should put everyone at unknown for now.

What's needed to be brought up to standard?

The concerns brought up in this thread (The Chain's feat being Environmental Destruction, The Strap's calc being inaccurate, etc.) need to be resolved.

Then we need someone to calc The Strap for us and have a CRT for The Chain.

Believe DMUA wished to do the Strap's low-balled calc.

Yeah I did try to get some look at it but it won't be easy to handle, if possible at all

I could probably pull something but not sure what

Whatever you can do would be appreciated, DMUA.

You can ask Ugarik, DontTalkDT, Executor N0, and Antoniofer for help with the calculation, if you wish.

User blogMUA/Furi: The Strap fires her a lasaaaaar

I only now remember how I was going to calculate the flight suit

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Also, side note, in retrospect

After some reconsideration I may be fine with the precog feat, even though it feels more like some kind of acasuality

either way, the other stuff I still stand by

I agree to that.

What are the conclusions here?

Now that it's been evaluated, all propositions but the removal of power nullification have been agreed upon

Is anyone else opposed to the changes?

No complaint here. Fire away boyo.

I trust Mr. Bambu's sense of judgement.

Made the changes

Thanks. Is there anything left to do here, or should we close this thread?

Believe this is okay to close. I'll do so.