The Dragonball Moon Size Recalced

Going through the Dragon Ball feats step by step, the moon feat with the Power Pole caught my eye. Mostly it's easy to consider it a gag feat, as there's really no feasible way for Goku to survive in a vacuum of space at that age, much less trap the Rabbit Mob up there without consequence. But I noticed the curvature of the moon and that made me think there is reason to believe Earth's Moon in Dragon Ball is smaller than ours.

Calculation Process The process begins by determining Kid Goku's height, specifically the height of his head, which is roughly 36.45 cm. The reason why will become apparent later. This is based on the following facts: A) Puar is basically the only Dragon Ball character who never grows in height going on to DBZ B) Adult Yamcha is confirmed at 6 ft tall (183 cm) C) Dragon Ball Yamcha is slightly shorter then Dragon Ball Z Yamcha. So by using comparison photos with Dragon Ball Z, group photos in Dragon Ball, and then using pixel measurements, we get the following measurements. https://imgur.com/a/dJioIkB


With this information in hand, we turn to the following images: https://m.imgur.com/l72ereI


https://imgur.com/4zpYAzG Full picture based on seen curvature

https://imgur.com/QsIfQtk Close up

Based on the pixel measurements and the perceived curvature of the moon, we can see that the moon is a mere 33 m across, making it 105,272 times smaller than our Moon. Furthermore, by measuring the perceived curvature of the Earth, then compensating for how far away it is by using our SizeCalc calculator (and then assuming it's the same size as our Earth, as there is no reason to believe otherwise) we get a distance of 72,151,443 m from Earth, which is 5 to 6 times closer than our Moon. Making the moon smaller just makes the relation between ki and power level even MORE exaggerated and incorrect then it already is.


Even if they were completely serious with the moon being destroyed it's obviously much smaller because of this scan https://i.gyazo.com/d5fda1d93fa1853e317683a9de0d9a7a.png

From what i read with roshi blowing up the moon and how the rabbit gang got sat on the moon and how tiny it looked i just cant say in good faith that its the size of our moon.

Arale was also shown to be able to destroy the moon by throwing a rock at it https://images.app.goo.gl/hhxG9AbYQ6r1ZaTs6 And it's alrrady known that Arale lives in DBZ universe and on same earth as Goku.

Also if it was our Moon size its a huge jump from piccolo destroying small countries to destroying moons man......I dont think y'all are computing how much of a strength gap that takes. I can get into exact numbers but even if piccolo was only using 1% of his strength to blow up the small country sized island it would be nowhere near enough to destroy the moon. Hed literally need to be millions of times stronger. So based on the size of the planet early tiers should be downgraded since practically everyone and they Mama scale from piccolos moon bust in Saiyan Saga which is the most impressive feat in Saiyan Saga.

The main issue with this is that Akira confirmed that the DB moon is the same distance away from the Earth as the IRL moon. Meaning it's impossible for it to be 33 meters in diameter as it's visible on the Earth's surface.

Qawsedf234 said:

The main issue with this is that Akira confirmed that the DB moon is the same distance away from the Earth as the IRL moon. Meaning it's impossible for it to be 33 meters in diameter as it's visible on the Earth's surface.

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But you can literally see the curve of the moon with boss rabbit gang and the earth looks insanely more closer than it does in real life https://i.gyazo.com/d5fda1d93fa1853e317683a9de0d9a7a.png

Real life moon n earth distance https://images.app.goo.gl/o2oPJS89i3y6kxow8

Akira has said multiple inconsistent things that contradict his own series and even thought ssj2 was SSJ3. The moon is smaller and closer to earth.

We no longer use curvature shots for calcs because they can lead to massively over or under inflated numbers. Akira said the 384,000 kilometer thing in the manga as well. It's when he used to take fan questions and they're included in the volume releases.

Qawsedf234 said:

We no longer use curvature shots for calcs because they can lead to massively over or under inflated numbers. Akira said the 384,000 kilometer thing in the manga as well. It's when he used to take fan questions and they're included in the volume releases.

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Toriyama gave SSJ sparks, he colored 18's hair purple, he forgot who Launch was etc. He's fairly forgetful. I can assure you that a lot of fans know more about his own series than he does at this point.

And you still haven't countered why the earth is so close to the moon here https://i.gyazo.com/d5fda1d93fa1853e317683a9de0d9a7a.png

Also the perceived curvature of the moon should be taken seriously. It is the only time we ever see the DBZ world moon up so close and only way to calc its size. Yet it's swept under the rug cus you guys don't go those calcs Lol wut ?

I already calced it but it's up to more people to debate and discuss this unless we have other pics of the DBZ moon up close This calc proves DBZ moon is smaller

https://imgur.com/a/dJioIkB

Yet it's swept under the rug cus you guys don't go those calcs Lol wut ?

We did use them for a long time. Its just that recently it was discussed that fiction rarely, if ever, does proper horizen shots. There's no in-universe implication that the moon is larger or smaller and we have a number equal to the IRL distance between the moon and Earth.

You can ask around I guess, but I don't see any downgrade getting passed based on what you presented.

Didn't Toriyama already confirm that the moon is the same distance away from Earth, therefore making the calc in the OP impossible?

Just because Toriyama drew something one way doesn't all of a sudden make what he intended false, especially if you consider that you yourself said that this feat is likely a gag one and not likely to be taken seriously and as such we cannot use the rabbit scene since the entire thing is a gag. Otherwise if we use this feat as a canon metric then Goku can breathe on the moon.

So I disagree since I'm pretty sure we've long dismissed that scene as a gag as well as Toriyama having practically confirmed that the moon is the same as in Real Life. Plus the points of him being inconsistent doesn't really apply here since he's never given any indication of contradicting himself on the topic of the moon since he seems pretty adamant that it's the same as in real life.

Also also, if we apply curvature calcs to every verse then that'd mean the moon in Naruto at some points is so close that it'd be basically crashing into it.

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curvature calcs Apply to DBZ cus it is very important unlike in other anime's and series. The DBZ moon size is so important it literally gives everyone in the Saga besides Vegeta, a moon+ level upgrade . Scaling based on piccolos feat. Without that feat they would all be Continent to multi Continent in Saiyan Saga. Basically everyone is scaled to piccolo blowing up a moon we don't know size of. And to say if we use it for DBZ n not every verse is nonsense, every verse doesn't have their characters blowing up Moons so early in the series. DBZ moon is said to be same distance but not same size. You need 1,815 times the energy to destroy the Moon to destroy the Earth and if we go off of power levels alone (which is closely related to ki level) then the minimum for "planet busting" power level is 252,285 based off his listed power level, so Vegeta and the subsequently stronger fighters are way ahead of the game. Making the moon smaller just makes the relation between ki and power level even MORE exaggerated and incorrect then it already is.

Of course, this may all be invalid because it WAS a gag feat. However, considering we don't get a good look at the moon otherwise, I believe this is our best view of the DBZ moon and therefore our most accurate description of it, at least until it's destroyed and replaced, possibly with a bigger moon. Though I still think you can measure things based on curvature from a ground perspective, as I believe astronomers (or perhaps just scientists) were capable of this for the Earth, measuring the size of the Earth extremely accurately for their time.

Even if we ignore the distance of moon Toriyama never said if the moon was or wasn't big as ours. And in this picture we can clearly see the moon is much smaller. Unless boss rabbit n gang are giant, we shouldn't be able to see them so appearing so big with the moons curve not far behind. https://i.gyazo.com/d5fda1d93fa1853e317683a9de0d9a7a.png

"Naruto has nothing to do with this

Also unlike in DBZ we can actually see the size of the moo. Compared to the earth"

What exactly is the difference between seeing the Moon from our perspective and seeing the earth from the Moon's perspective? Plus we actually do see the Moon compared to the Earth and the Earth certainly isn't "accurately" tiny.

"But back on topic You need 1,815 times the energy to destroy the Moon to destroy the Earth and if we go off of power levels alone"

We don't use power levels and neither should you but okay.

"then the minimum for "planet busting" power level is 252,285 based off his listed power level"

"Power levels are bullsht" is literally a meme, why are you using power levels. Plus it's heavily implied that power levels are logarithmic or at least non-linear since... they don't linearly go up.

" so Vegeta and the subsequently stronger fighters are way ahead of the game. Making the moon smaller just makes the relation between ki and power level even MORE exaggerated and incorrect then it already is."

Then why are you using power levels

"Of course, this may all be invalid because it WAS a gag feat."

No? it's STILL a gag feat?

"However, considering we don't get a good look at the moon otherwise, I believe this is our best view of the DBZ moon and therefore our most accurate description of it, at least until it's destroyed and replaced, possibly with a bigger moon."

Or we can use what the author says and screw his wildly changing sizes from his artstyle. Did you know that the Oozaru ranges from 10 meters to over 60 meters? That's a difference of "Big Boi" to "That's a god damned Kaiju". And these are the same people!

"Though I still think you can measure things based on curvature from a ground perspective, as I believe astronomers (or perhaps just scientists) were capable of this for the Earth, measuring the size of the Earth extremely accurately for their time."

... Okay?

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I've never seen such an aggressive response. It's like your emotional and touchy about them getting a downgrade Lol.

Listen kid the author never ever says the size of the moon. He just says distance from earth to moon. In this scan the moon looks smaller https://m.imgur.com/a/dJioIkB it's size based on that image is literally only way to calc it unless DBZ has scans of the moon in space . Do they ? Afraid not. Actually this is the only up close pic we have of DBZ moon. It's not my fault It's so easy to point out the inconsistencies of the creator. Especially when the size of the moon literally determines how strong everyone is in Saiyan Saga they literally don't scale to sh** else other than piccolo blowing up moon, yet 5 years earlier in 23rd Budokai blowing up a Island small country sized place was a huge deal. It just seems like no one wants to look at the calc n actual size of the moon based on boss rabbit gang scene. The moon has been destroyed so many times in the serious one has to really look at how big is their moon if people like Roshi can blow it up when he's weaker than King Piccolo who is weaker than 23rd Budokai piccolo who was only Island Level who was weaker than Bos piccolo. Hell even Arale destroyed the moon with a Rock, and one of her friends destroyed the moon by punching it ? DBZ earth moon is smaller and takes less kinetic energy to destroy than the real one. So it's size of a small asteroid. So this means piccolo destroying that asteroid sized moon would make it a mountain - Island Level feat, which is still casual for him since he should've been Continent Level after training 5 years since he was already small country level at max. Then Raditz who destroyed mountain ranges easily would've been Multi Continent at least. Then every z fighter after Kami training scales to multi Continent since they are strong or stronger than Raditz. Then Nappa would be Multi Continent+ or 5-C Moon Level, just for being more powerful than all the z fighters before Goku came. Then Goku after kai training would be Moon to Small Planet Level 5-C. Then Vegeta would also be Small Planet Level for beating base Goku so easily. Then Vegeta with his Galick gun would be small planet level to planet level 5-B, and Goku the same tier for matching that attack with Kaio Ken. When it gets to Namek Gohan n krillin would still be impressive with beings like Ginyu Force and Frieza who can destroy a planet so easily. Meaning they aren't naturally planet level by themselves. My scaling works. The DBZ Power Levels scaling and piccolos PIS moon feat is flawed and has been wrong for many years. I can't be the only DBZ fan that has questioned the feat of piccolo blowing up moon and its size. If you were a true manga fan and understand how series are, it's easy to get curious about the flaws power scaling of piccolo jumping from small country to moon level. Such huge jumps without motives have to be questioned. "If we calc the size of DBZ moon we would literally have to call the size of every anime moon"

Every anime and manga series don't have their beginning of series characters blowing up moons numerous times without it being considered a gag or that the moon has crap durability Also by scaling small country to moon level is too high of a jump. They'd literally have to be thousands of times stronger to go from small country to moon / planet

"I've never seen such an aggressive response. It's like your emotional and touchy about them getting a downgrade Lol."

Lol I see no aggression here

"Listen kid the author never ever says the size of the moon. He just says distance from earth to moon. "

Via angle sizing and using that distance, it'd be basically the same size as our Moon.

"if people like Roshi can blow it up when he's weaker than King Piccolo who is weaker than 23rd Budokai piccolo who was only Island Level who was weaker than Bos piccolo. "

Well currently we count that as a outliner.

"Every anime and manga series don't have their beginning of series characters blowing up moons numerous times without it being considered a gag or that the moon has crap durability Also by scaling small country to moon level is too high of a jump. They'd literally have to be thousands of times stronger to go from small country to moon / planet"

Db isn't every anime or manga series

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They'd literally have to be thousands of times stronger to go from small country to moon / planet" text

Size of DBZ moon you can literally see how small this sh*** is https://images.app.goo.gl/o4PkgW8BdcKLdo7y9 https://images.app.goo.gl/F9tsfdPhGc7ntbws8

I think small asteroid size wraps this up

Someone downgrade Raditz, Saibamen, and every beginning of DBZ Saiyan Saga Tier to Continent to Multi Continent please.

No one is downgrading anything until you get approval from staff and so far, no one here agrees with you so I suggest you wait.

Also "thousands of times stronger", So?. As long as their was a time skip (which there was) and they arn't getting harmed by End Dragon Ball 23nd Budokai level characters (which they are not) I don't see a problem. By your logic countless verses need to be downgraded because the number gaps are massive.

LordGriffin1000 said:

No one is downgrading anything until you get approval from staff and so far, no one here agrees with you so I suggest you wait.

Also "thousands of times stronger", So?. As long as their was a time skip (which there was) and they arn't getting harmed by End Dragon Ball 23nd Budokai level characters (which they are not) I don't see a problem. By your logic countless verses need to be downgraded because the number gaps are massive.

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Piccolo feat is the only thing suggesting anyone was close to moon level since small country levelers were a big thing in just 5 years ago at 23rd Budokai. Other verses getting stronger and massive power ups have nothing to do with DBZ getting a out of no where power up like this. After King Piccolo Goku was at least city+ Level. After 3 years of training with pop and Kami Goku goes from city+ to small country level. During this time Goku has a motive to beat the incarnation of king piccolo. After fight 5 years passed. If we followed the regular scaling Goku should be at least continent+ Level after 5 years. He doesn't mention he trained seriously in the 5 years, since he probably wa helping with Gohan, chopping wood, hunting fish, and searching for the two Dragonballs he found during this 5 year time. I seriously doubt chichi would've let Goku train all day everyday when they had a new son born.

Also this is Moon size https://images.app.goo.gl/F9tsfdPhGc7ntbws8 https://images.app.goo.gl/SFa9YYmxmmgFL9xLA https://m.imgur.com/a/dJioIkB

It's size of a small asteroid I've already calced it so mods should downgrade every character in Saiyan Saga since every character in Saiyan Saga scales from piccolo moon feat and without that moon feat they wouldn't be anywhere near the levels they were. Also my way would make sense because piccolo says Frieza can destroy Namek if he wanted to n they all are shocked by this. When they all are supposed to be planet levers.

For a calc to be used, you need to make a blog first and have it be accepted by the mod calc team. Even if the downgrades were warranted it couldn't happen until that.

Also this is Moon size https://images.app.goo.gl/F9tsfdPhGc7ntbws8 https://images.app.goo.gl/SFa9YYmxmmgFL9xLA https://m.imgur.com/a/dJioIkB

Also I don't know what you mean by this since

• The first image is from this saga where celestial bodies are not drawn to scale

• The second image has the moon resemble its IRL counterpart

• The third one is based on a gag scene curvature shot

What even are these arguments? Like, I'm totally in favour Akreious and Huesito, these areguments are trying to make loads of fallacies, like why are you trying to use Power levels and say "Well other anime don't have people blowing up the moon" as an argument?

@DeathtoGriffindor

You do know they grow in power very quickly right?... This is especially shown in Dragon Ball Super. Also 5 years is a long time dude.

They are not shocked Frieza can blow up a planet, they are shocked at how casually he can do it.

I'm getting an itch to just close this.

Also Death, stop quoting large blocks of text please.

^^^^^^

I agree with the others, the OP appears to be a likely sock of the previous user. It's just the same thing as the previous thread. We should probably just close the thread.

Oh boy, not one day after a thread like this goes out and we got another sock problem already.

@DeathToGriffindor

This has already been discussed here and here using the exact same ideas/evidence if you don't have new info to contribute to overturn the previous descions its for the best to avoid repeating the same arguments. Especially as it has lead to severe suspcion that you are simply a sock of an already banned user.