Tokita Ohma VS John Wick

The Asura VS Baba Yaga

John Wick was employed to take down Ohma, who is training in a forest.

- Speed equalized.

- Victory through death only.

- SBA otherwise.

Tokita Ohma:

John Wick:

Ohma should be superior in close to close combat imo but not sure how this is gonna go. Bullets are typically not effective for Kengan practicioner cause Ohma might've figured out how to deflect em like his teacher. But this is JW we're talking about

Have you seen the 3rd one yet Core?

John should take this. Higher lifting strength gives him the advantage should they go in cqc where the skill advantage is up there. John also has the stamina advantage as he's been stabbed, shot and beaten up to near death through out the movies and can still keep going. He should also get the AP advantage with his firearms, this is a man who has access to weapons that can pulverize armor that's meant to be completely bulletproof and can take people in said armor bare handed. I think it's more likely that John will go for his guns on the get go allowing him to gain the drop on Ohma and as we know John Wick is quite literally the best Assaisn in his verse. Ohma wouldn't know what's happening until he gets a bullet in his head while John is about 20 feet away.

Also the John Wick comics are canon as far as I'm aware but it seems this wiki doesn't know about them. Baba Yaga CRT coming soon.

@Schnee

Seeing it again today. John can take a lot of damage.

@Prince

I want to read the comics now lol. But now that I got my bearing on this...

I would typically agree but that's also the same for Ohma. Throughout the tournament there is no time to rest and he's been able to keep up with people who can break bones, literally mess up organs with their full attacks, he literally fought day in and day out in a forest about to die before learning Demonsbane which is essentially a Full Counter for any sort of melee attack an enemy has.

Ohma has fought through with literal broken bones and bleeding out and was still able to deal a lot of damage with people of his level. Disarming opponents isn't a new thing for Ohma and I think his definite goal would be to break John's fingers. Him being a master class at grappling is also a very big issue for John since I don't think John got into a lot of those.

I really wanna debate fully here but I'm not sure if you've seen the 3rd one. Let's just say that John quite literally grew up with some of the best grapplers around. Ohma has an impressive pain tolerance but John has been there and done that. And that's been happening for 3 movies non stop. Engaging John in close combat would be a mistake due to John himself being a great grappler and having experience dealing with that fighting style along with his lifting strength advantage. John is class 1 casually while Ohma is peak human. Ergo John would be able to restrain Ohma with his higher lifting strength and Ohma wouldn't be able to escape just because of the sheer strength difference between the two. This also falls under the assumption that John would go for close up combat first thing which is false. He'd take Ohma from afar with a gun as he usually does.

He said he was seeing it again today.

Yea, John Wick has some of the best skill I've seen out of a movie, and without any PIS involved. He still has to reload, switch weapons, suffer wounds, and use his environment, and does it incredibly well.

Vote John Wick via superior skill in basically all categories.

I'd say there's PIS like that one time that girl could've shot him at the back of the head in the second one or when the big bad from the first movie could've killed him instead of talking to him lol. But that doesn't take away from the epicness that is JW

And I definitely saw the third one.

I'd agree with that, but on the other hand I don't think John Wick faced anyone who's literally on his equal level. I'm not sure where you can get that grapple feat since I'm trying to recall. The best I got was the sumo wrestler who he had to shoot to escape out of. There's been numerous cases where John is outmatched in a physical match and had to resort to shooting a gun. Sure there's injuries, but that's also using everything he got.

Ohma has been fighting through his entire life I'd say. And surprisingly people who are stronger than Ohma he could take down with techniques. As I said before, all Ohma has to do is literally break bones. John suffers from damage. Yes. He shakes it off. But he still suffers and had to retreat and ask for help numerous times. The end of JW 2, the hobo scene where he was frequently ambushed, heck even his last fight in John Wick 3 against Raid's final bosses and his samurai ninja fanboy.

It's no excuse for him to NOT have those amazing stamina feats. But a good chunk of those were literally mooks ambushing him too. They don't have that same overwhelming gap in power. He can already reduce damage received with Adamantine Kata, escape grapples with Water Kata focusing on that, and heck a good chunk of Ohma's playstyle is redirecting attacks. Also... Ohma's grappling wouldn't really be amazing, if not for him outgrappling a top class Grappler

Guns would be less relevant since this is a close up fight. But

Flexibility for grapples-

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Flexibility for grapples, oh and he's not above to going for crotch attacks and strikes to the throat. So pragmatism is actually a match for John Wick.

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Actually thinking about it there are some missing skills on Ohma like Stat Amp.

I love John Wick, but he's also human. The reason why he's an amazing character to watch unlike most action movie stars is because he has realism- well as far as you can get lol. But he takes damage. He suffers. He's definitely a god against mooks. But then again so is Ohma. I'm impressed by John's Close combat, but he hasn't taken any real true martial artists in my opinion.


Tldr

JW isn't really superior in anything.

Redirection is gonna screw with him. Flexibility and grappling a top class grappler > Grappling in... where? Ohma's incredibly high pain tolerance matches his if not better. And pragmatism is matched too.

JW is superior to mooks but he never continously fought people of similar level and he always has to be worn down first by mooks and such before getting worn out. Not to mention he's definitely more of a shooter than a martial artist.

Meanwhile Ohma literally fought people who are far above human continuously. Though all of them are worn down too, he's still pretty strong.

Edit - Also .... demonsbane is not banned? Well uh... that's a decisive way to win.

Ouma decidedly takes this if he can close the distance, which he can do with the advantage of trees and Flame Kata footwork techniques.

Nothing shown in John Wick is close to the level of martial knowledge shown in Kengan Asura.

Forgot about this.

But yeah after rewatching, a lot of high end feats in JW have John a bit winded. The bulletproof smashing required the glass to be already damaged and weight of two or more people usually. The explosion left him winded and I doubt in JW 2 his final villain was attempting to kill him.

And usually anyone too 'strong' for him like the sumo wrestler or the early big guy in JW 2 he resorted to shooting. There was Ernest, super chill dude, but he didn't really give a feeling of 'I'm great at martial arts'. The people in Kengan basically have great weight and great martial arts in balance.

JW remains a threat from afar though and I think could actually nick Ohma several times even if he bullet reflects or aim dodges surprisingly.

I am thinking of the fact that this is in a forest, which Ouma can abuse. Then there's Flashfire, which would confuse John even more because I doubt he's ever seen anyone use mirages to fight. Then there's Raging Fire to move from 0 to 100 in a near instant and Flickering Flame to change direction mid charge without losing any speed.

Plus he should be comparable to Niko, who did that whole thing of deflecting bullets by careful movement and using Adamant Kata. Despite his skills, I see Ouma reaching him able enough to fight more likely than John killing him.

Yeah the setting really helps Ohma. Honestly I see him getting used to it quickly if he somehow survives it. And the funny image of him replicating it like that time Zero's students did it to him lol. Those can really be ending moves.

True but regular shooting and John Wick's shooting is likely distinct. Not like it won't change much but still.

I am not entirely sure. John Wick is a super skilled gunman, but he isn't Green Arrow - by which I mean, he doesn't pull off ridiculous stuff, he just has a handling with firearms a cut above even the best in his same trade. I doubt he couldn't get at least one or a few shots on Ouma, but I would call honest bull if he isn't thrown off by a person that is moving and doing things that look downright supernatural.

Gonna bump this and show my vote for Ohma, but yeah I think I can still imagine him adapting kinda due to his anti aim dodging. But in the end Ohma's gonna win.

The glass that took John two tries to shatter was comprised of even thicker ceiling glass. The rest were just normal windowpanes that just happened to be bullet-resistant and easily shattered by Zero's students. Just letting ya know.

Citation?

But either way still a massive issue of Ohma can do something beyond

Ciruno Fortes said:

Citation?
But either way still a massive issue of Ohma can do something beyond

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Citation: It's after Wick shatters the ceiling and fights with Zero.

The one where he slams someone with the full bodyweight of two people twice?

John really just loses here.

SBA means they're gonna be pretty close-ranged when the fight begins, and they're in a forest which negates a lot of John's gunplay since Ohma has stat-amplification via Possessing Spirit/Advance and fancy footwork that leaves afterimages to opponents who are objectively faster than him.

Ohma being able to outgrapple Imai Cosmo means that John's specialty, throws and holds, goes out the window. Cosmo is a man who can grapple people several weight classes above himself to near-lethal efficiency, and Ohma outright bests the man at his own game. John, on the other hand, lost in a grapple to a sumo wrestler in the second film and had to rely on shooting the guy several times in the head to win. He won't get that chance here.

Add to this all that Ohma has a currently-accepted Demonsbane calc placing him at Small Building level, which means that any punch John throws out will get returned and obliterate the man.

John's chance of winning relies upon a luckily-placed bullet slowing Ohma down or preventing Possessing Spirit due to the increased blood pressure it entails.

Ohma gets my vote.

Ciruno Fortes said:

The one where he slams someone with the full bodyweight of two people twice?

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Ye, after that he fights Zero and smashes some bullet-resistant window panes.

Has Tokita fought Baki yet? If not, he should.

@KLOL

They were literally the last duo he fought. I think you meant something else?

@Sir

Bad choice for a matchup. Shouldn't really happen.

Gunna vote Ohma on this one. John is a beast of a man, no one will deny him that, but Ohma can easily use Indestructible to protect his body to a degree (stopping lethal shots), and so long as he protects his head, a nice couple of Ironbreakers should put John down. With the range problems, a couple of well executed Phantom Paces and Flashfires, should put him where he needs to be.

How many votes is that?

4-2 in Ohma's favor