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Frieza vs. Asura

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Frieza.

He should be at the highest levels of 3-B, considering that Goku and Beerus almost destroyed the whole universe with three punches, and he was pretty much stomping a SSB Goku (before he got tired).

I also think that Frieza is faster.
 
frieza is faster and stronger even though they are the same tier but asura is like hulk while frieza will lose power overtime
 
Cropfist said:
Asura. Golden Frieza's power decreases over time.
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What kind of reasoning is this?

TISSG7Redgrave said:
frieza is faster and stronger even though they are the same tier but asura is like hulk while frieza will lose power overtime
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No - limits fallacy (NLF)
 
Wbaez93 said:
Cropfist said:
Asura. Golden Frieza's power decreases over time.
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What kind of reasoning is this?
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It was the biggest point of the ENTIRE ROF Movie and Saga, Frieza was vastly stronger then SSB Goku who couldn't even touch him till Frieza started losing power.

All Asura has to do is last long enough for Frieza's power to drop below his like the fight with Goku. Pretty sure Asura can last long enough, he can take one hell of a beating.
 
No, he wouldn't last.

Frieza would go straight for the kill, and besides, are you trying to say that Asura has the same strength and durability as SSB Goku?!

You can't compare Goku (who at that point was at the highest levels of 3-B) with someone who is possibly 3-B. (I said Goku because we are power-scaling Frieza from him).
 
Frieza didn't go straight for the kill with Goku, he's arrogant and toys with his opponent, have you seen his battle on namek were he could've killed everybody but toyed around instead.

Asura doesn't need Goku's durability to outlast Frieza because Frieza is too stupid to finish this fight in the beginning.

(Unless they're bloodlusted which in that case, Frieza wins)
 
Because he had the scouter and could see their power levels. But when they made him angry, even in the slightest, he finished them off without flinching.

And even when he toys with his opponents, he beats the "s" out of them: he isn't soft at all.

One last thing, you're implying that Frieza would just laugh and would never attack Asura, or if did, Asura would receive 0 damage.

Even if Frieza gets weaker over time, why wouldn't Asura do it too after receiving who knows how many blows from Frieza?

Or does Asura have health and stamina Regenerationn now? (when I say "health" I'm talking about some sort of HP Regenerationn, not wounds Regenerationn)
 
Wbaez93 said:
Because he had the scouter and could see their power levels. But when they made him angry, even in the slightest, he finished them off without flinching.
And even when he toys with his opponents, he beats the "s" out of them: he isn't soft at all.

One last thing, you're implying that Frieza would just laugh and would never attack Asura, or if did, Asura would receive 0 damage.

Even if Frieza gets weaker over time, why wouldn't Asura do it too after receiving who knows how many blows from Frieza?

Or does Asura have health and stamina Regenerationn now? (when I say "health" I'm talking about some sort of HP Regenerationn, not wounds Regenerationn)
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Never said that Asura takes no damage, it VERY clear who has more stamina though. Frieza is known for horrible stamina.

Also while Asura would get weaker, Golden Frieza will get weaker MUCH faster. His stamina drop is huge, going from beyond SSB strength to below in minutes.

Also I don't remember Frieza killing Gohan, Piccolo, and Vegeta. You said he finish them off yet all I saw was him messing around with them. He didn't get serious till Goku turn SSJ, Frieza is stupid, very stupid.

Since Asura will get his ass kicked in the beginning there will be no reason for Frieza to go all out, "he'll play with his food" at first while he gets weaker.

By the time he realizes that he's getting weaker, it'll be too late. He could end everything with one blast but he never does.

(But like I said, if they're bloodlusted Frieza one shots)
 
You ignored this: "And even when he toys with his opponents, he beats the "s" out of them: he isn't soft at all."

He wasn't soft with anyone. He toys with his opponents until leaving them half-dead. He did it with Nail, Piccolo, and Vegeta (they all ended up almost dead).


"He didn't get serious till Goku turn SSJ, Frieza is stupid, very stupid." He almost destroyed Namek when Goku made him angry, but Goku's Genkidama avoided it.


The only reason Goku could notice Frieza's weakness was because his AP and Dura was near Frieza's (and thus, he could endure his blows). Asura, on the other hand, isn't close.

After one blow, I'm quite positive that Asura would think "Holy Moly!" After the second one, the third one, and the fourth one what do you think he would say?


Frieza is faster and stronger. When his power starts decreasing, Asura would be as Piccolo and Vegeta were after he toyed with them; almost half-dead.


P.S.: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Versus_Thread_Rules and https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Standard_Battle_Assumptions


State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.


Frieza would kill Asura when he notices that Asura doesn't want to "play" anymore.
 
By that time he'll be too weak, Asura was half dead yet was able to kill Chakravartin or however you spell that, and a army of... whatever, after his fight with Augus.

I have millions of reason on how this could go Asura's way but you know what?

I'm tired, it's dark as shit and I want to go to bed so I give up. Frieza wins
 
Come back with one of those millions of reasons once you wake up. However, I believe that you'll continue thinking that Asura will receive 0 damage or that only Frieza would lose energy (and that Frieza wouldn't just kill him after awhile).
 
No you're right, why are you being so antagonistic? You seem to think being rude and insulting will get you what you want, can't you have a civil conversation?

Also I never said Asura takes no damage, most of my post straight up say Frieza is vastly stronger, people like you think just because they're stonger they win no matter what.

Look Frieza wins you happy, you don't need to act like that.
 
Well, you already got your answer.

You said that Frieza is stronger but that he would lose (because he "toys" with his opponents and thus, he would lose strength). And I already gave the reason why I differ.

"People like you think just because they're stronger they win no matter what."

When did I say that?

Anyway, Asura doesn't have any notable hax.

Why would someone stronger and faster lose against someone weaker who doesn't have any hax that can give him the upper hand?

So, in this case, we can say that the stronger one would win.
 
I'm having it with Frieza winning this. I don't think Asura is faster (Frieza takes that one) and Frieza's higher up on the 3-B tier than compared to Asura.

If anything, Frieza wins this more than Asura IMO.
 
ik its NLF i am not saying that asura will be the strongest ever in given time but that's basically what happened with charkravartin base form asura beat his creator but again like cross said frieza is in the higher end of the 3-B so i will give it to him if frieza doesn't get too cocky and knows he must finish the fight before he gets too weak to finish asura
 
All comes down to Frieza's behaviour.

Fight finishes earlier = Frieza

Fight finishes later = Asura

Asura can take a HUGE beating which would definetly factor into the fight, but it's hard to quantify at what level it is once he got the Mantra Reactor.

As for speed I don't know the difference, but if someone found some numbers that'd be awesome.
 
Frieza is horribly arrogant, and would rather a fight last hours beating his opponent senceless before deciding to kill them, even if during the start of the battle there is a massive difference in power (I don't really think it's that bad, Asura should at most be able to hold his own), the ongoing battle will eventually start to be Asuras saving grace. Before too long, Asura will eventually start to overpower Frieza, due to NLF, as well as Frieza weakening, and Frieza, being none the wiser, likely wont notice this until it's too late, leading to his demise.

The battle at hand is assuming both are in character, people arguing that Frieza would go straight for the kill are simply wrong, and it's something he's pretty much never been shown to do against an opponent he intends to fight (IE Goku, Vegeta, literally anyone).
 
State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.

And

"The only reason Goku could notice Frieza's weakness was because his AP and Dura was near Frieza's (and thus, he could endure his blows). Asura, on the other hand, isn't close."
 
KyofuSama93 said:
State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.
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"The only reason Goku could notice Frieza's weakness was because his AP and Dura was near Frieza's (and thus, he could endure his blows). Asura, on the other hand, isn't close."
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Make no mistake, I'm not trying to say Frieza is unwilling to kill, or that he would just dick around for an hour before finishing them, from what people are saying, Friezas power saw a drastic power reduction in a few minutes, whereas Asura has shown to recieve a massive power boost in a few minutes (IE his battle with Augus). It wouldn't take an hour long battle to close the gap, and Frieza doesn't come off as the type of person to end a battle in a few minutes, again, we've seen him do it over and over.

A point that could counterargue this would be Asuras impatience, as you've said, Asura wouldn't know of Friezas weakness, so he'd be willing to get the fight going as soon as possible (We'd probably see a QTE come up prompting Asura to shut Frieza up whilst he's bragging), so whilst I'm inclined to say Asura would still pull through, I wouldn't disregard Friezas chance to win.
 
KyofuSama93 said:
State of mind: In character, but willing to kill. The characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws such as being casual, however, must be willing to kill the opponent even if they usually won't.
And

"The only reason Goku could notice Frieza's weakness was because his AP and Dura was near Frieza's (and thus, he could endure his blows). Asura, on the other hand, isn't close."
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What do you mean "isn't close"? Asura has had Suns and planets (several times bigger than ours) spammed at him and they didn't do more than make him flinch...
 
KyofuSama93 said:
Asura isn't close to Frieza's full power.
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How... why not? The guy was swatting planets around like bugs and casually busting suns almost 10x bigger than our sun.
 
Like the majority, I'm going with the Tyrant. He takes this... Frieasily. (shot)

In all seriousness, Frieza has a severe AP and I'm 75% sure the speed advantage, and Asura doesn't have the hax to counter.
 
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