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Lavagirl vs. Magmar (Battle of Liquid Rock)

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Did you know that the reason the Earth's core is molten is because of the leftover spin from when the planet was first formed? And did you know that there is a difference between magma and lava, with magma being molten rock still below the surface of the Earth and lava being molten rock that has appeared above the Earth's surface? With all of the interesting factors of this particular facet of Earth Science, is it any wonder that so much in fiction has been created around it? And today, we'll see a fight between two characters formed from this facinating material. One is a creature that embodies magma all the way to its core, and the other is a girl who seems to be the same, but perhaps deep down is a little more. Which of these burning hot competitors will blaze to victory? Today, we find out!

In the blue corner, we have Lavagirl from The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl, and in the red corner, we have Magmar from Pokemon.

Lavagirl Picture
Blaine Magmar
-This is a fight to the death or incapacitation. No holds barred.
-Neither character are aware of each other beforehand, and there is no prep time.

-Neither character are allowed any outside help.

-This battle takes place in the Cinnabar City Gym from the Pokemon anime, giving a fair advantage to both parties.

-Lavagirl is in Base form.

-Speed is equalized.

With all this being said, let the debate begin!

Lavamar: 2 (Jackythejack, Sans2345)

Magmagirl: 1 (The God of Procrastination)

Inconclusive: 1 (Drite77)
 
Ooo I'll definitely be following.

Also heat absorption is gonna be a problem but I believe Magmar can still burn her or even poison her or he has those moves available. This should be an interesting fight all the same.
 
Burning someone who strongly resists all methods of burning and is made of lava doesn't really work.

And poisoning someone made of lava might also prove futile, though this one I can't prove fully since no one uses poison in the movie.
 
I mean I'm pretty sure Magmar can cause the burn status on pokemon who are incredibly hot? Unless we take that as game mechanics.

Yeeeah that other one I dunno about but I feel like that could be considered an option. They can poison slugma which is just lava.
 
Uuuuuh that doesn't mean much. I think the difference isn't that much? Like only two to three times?
 
So, a little over 2X AP. That's not bad.
 
Confusion and Paralysis are a pain (even if the latter only happens when occasionally using Thunder Punch) and Poison...is a poison... yeah.

Giving it to Magmar for the status effects (aside burn) he could use, plus Smokescreen. The main problem is that healing tho.
 
Yes, and it will likely assume that roots from an ability akin to Flash Fire, and promptly change tactics.
 
Pokémon are fairly hard-wired for battle. If she brushes off Magmar's Fire attacks, he'll change tactics quickly.
 
Probably. 2x AP isn't impossible to overcome. Sure, there's the thing about where type weakness and resistance is a thing, but there can be whole argument about if her powers count as Fire or Rock or some kind of dual typing akin to Flying Press, but ehhhhh...
 
Magmar has Leer and Screech to lower her Durability, Smokescreen to lower her accuracy, Barrier to raise his Durability and Belly Drum to increase his AP so that it's 4x higher than her's (Because Belly Drum mutliplies his attack by 6x.), Mach Punch for Priority and Focus Energy to increase Critical Hit Chance.

Only thing's Lavagirl has going for her are her Regenerationn and her Healing.

I'mma say Magmar. I'm not saying it's going to be easy.
 
Magmar's Pokemon Crystal Entry:

"It moves more frequently in hot areas. It can heal itself by dipping its wound into lava."

Would this mean Magmar can heal itself by touching Lava Girl? Can it punch into her to get a heal? She DOES have Elemental Intangibility. Is her default state being made of Lava/Magma? Thunder Punch & Feint Attack may be useful for this....

Although Thunder Punch isn't a part of MAGMAR'S Level-up Moveset. It's a part of MAGMORTAR'S. https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Magmar_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Pok.C3.A9mon_Sun.2C_Moon.2C_Ultra_Sun_and_Ultra_Moo

Confuse Ray is useful, as is Smog (Worse visibility, Poison) & Leer can lower Durability. Although, Leer might not work if she isn't scared, given it's described as intimidating, but whatever.

If we include Egg Moves (Let alone TM & HM moves.), it has access to the following moves(Using most recent descriptions if move seems relevant.):

Barrier: "The user throws up a sturdy wall that sharply raises its Defense stat."

Kind of irrelevant unless Lavagirl switches to physical attacks, which she might.

Belch: "The user lets out a damaging belch at the target. The user must eat a held Berry to use this move."

This move requires a berry. Does Magmar have a Berry?

Magmar's only berries are Bitter Berry (If traded from Gen 1 to Gen 2.) & a Burnt Berry in Generation 2. They didn't exist when Belch was a move, so I don't know if they can be used withit.

Why Magmar's page says its Standard Equipment is Charcoal (Only carried in Battle Revolution & at some events.) is beyond me. There WAS an anime trainer with a Farfetch'd & a Magmar that made Charcoal, though.

From Platinum onward, Magmar itself carries a Magmarizer & even at some events. BUUUUTTT....

A Magby obtained via the Pokewalker would have a Kelpsy Berry! So if this is a Magmar obtained as a Magby via the Pokewalker & it NEVER ate its berry, it could use Belch!

So do we allow Pokewalker items?

Where was I? Ah yes, Egg Moves.

Belly Drum: The user maximizes its Attack stat in exchange for HP equal to half its max HP.

I'd assume this translates to, half of maximum stamina depleted, &, using game mechanics as a basis for the Physical AP increase, it would be a 4x boost. This could make Magmar hit harder than Lavagirl!

Cross Chop: Higher crit ratio, uses both arms, might let Magmar dip into her for a heal.

Dynamic Punch: "The user punches the target with full, concentrated power. This confuses the target if it hits."

Guaranteed confusion if it lands.

'Flare Blitz': Recoil if it damages her. It hitting might also heal Lavagirl.

Focus Energy: "The user takes a deep breath and focuses so that critical hits land more easily."

Iron Tail: "The target is slammed with a steel-hard tail. This may also lower the target's Defense stat."

Game mechanics say it has a 30% chance to lower Defense, if it hits. Useful if Magmar is going for a physical strategy. Not sure if using an Iron Tail against Lava is relevant, but Magmar already tolerates temperatures of around 2200 degrees Fahrenheit.

Karate Chop: Like Cross Chop, but weaker and with one arm!

'Mach Punch': Not sure how we treat priority moves in Speed Equalized matches.

Mega Punch: Described as powerful, but not sure how else it's relevant.

Power Swap: "The user employs its psychic power to switch changes to its Attack and Sp. Atk stats with the target."

Supposing Magmar does waste time trying Fire attacks on her or she uses heat to power up, Magmar might like using Power Swap to effectively steal her gains.

Screech: "An earsplitting screech harshly lowers the target's Defense stat."

Lowers Defense (Physical Durability) by more than Leer, but if Lavagirl doesn't hear it, she might be fine.

& Thunder Punch. As mentioned above, it can Paralyze. 10% of the time, it does so, if it hits.


Given I just went over all that, for IQ Groups, I think I'll just mention that Magmar is in Group C & link this page: https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/IQ
 
HenryWong122 said:
Magmar has Leer and Screech to lower her Durability, Smokescreen to lower her accuracy, Barrier to raise his Durability and Belly Drum to increase his AP so that it's 4x higher than her's (Because Belly Drum mutliplies his attack by 6x.), Mach Punch for Priority and Focus Energy to increase Critical Hit Chance.
Only thing's Lavagirl has going for her are her Regenerationn and her Healing.

I'mma say Magmar. I'm not saying it's going to be easy.
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Six stages of stat increase yes, but how do we know each of them is a 100% boost? Going by Game Mechanics (Iffy, yes, I know, but are there other metrics to use?) it'd be a 50% boost per stage beyond base.

(Although the Regenerationn does bring up the issue of how to keep her down.)
 
@Imaginym All of the moves count for pokémon, including moves that they could only learn in previous Gens. Except for TM/HM moves and Tutor moves. Same for held items, even if they are from events
 
Imaginym said:
HenryWong122 said:
Magmar has Leer and Screech to lower her Durability, Smokescreen to lower her accuracy, Barrier to raise his Durability and Belly Drum to increase his AP so that it's 4x higher than her's (Because Belly Drum mutliplies his attack by 6x.), Mach Punch for Priority and Focus Energy to increase Critical Hit Chance.
Only thing's Lavagirl has going for her are her Regenerationn and her Healing.

I'mma say Magmar. I'm not saying it's going to be easy.
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Six stages of stat increase yes, but how do we know each of them is a 100% boost? Going by Game Mechanics (Iffy, yes, I know, but are there other metrics to use?) it'd be a 50% boost per stage beyond base.
(Although the Regenerationn does bring up the issue of how to keep her down.)
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You are correct about it being a 50% or 1.5x boost which means 1 use of Belly Drum multiplies Magmar's attack by 4x not 6x so now he's 2x stronger then she is. I always for get that and just count the stages not the actual boost.

He doesn't have to kill her just knock her out which will be easier.
 
Imaginym said:
Magmar's Pokemon Crystal Entry:
"It moves more frequently in hot areas. It can heal itself by dipping its wound into lava."
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Also this ^

Depending on how good or bad her Earth Manipulation is, i am going inconclusive. Magmar can't bypass High-Mid even with the stat boost, and his presence would make Lavagirl stronger due to his body temperature being 1200 degrees Celsius. However, Magmar can problaby heal with her lava, and he has more vesatility than Lavagirl, but, like i saided, i don't think that Magmar can bypass that regen
 
Drite77 said:
Imaginym said:
Magmar's Pokemon Crystal Entry:
"It moves more frequently in hot areas. It can heal itself by dipping its wound into lava."
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Also this ^
Depending on how good or bad her Earth Manipulation is, i am going inconclusive. Magmar can't bypass High-Mid even with the stat boost, and his presence would make Lavagirl stronger due to his body temperature being 1200 degrees Celsius. However, Magmar can problaby heal with her lava, and he has more vesatility than Lavagirl, but, like i saided, i don't think that Magmar can bypass that regen
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He doesn't have to bypass it, he just has to incapacitate her which will be easier.
 
You mean by knocking her out? I thought that people with this type of regen couldn't be knocked out. Is there other way that he can incap her that i am missing? I don't know if poison would help, since she will be healing herself when she is near Magmar
 
Drite77 said:
You mean by knocking her out? I thought that people with this type of regen couldn't be knocked out. Is there other way that he can incap her that i am missing? I don't know if poison would help, since she will be healing herself when she is near Magmar
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Smokescreen and Smog would make it hard for her to breath and if he can out last her stamina wise, she would pass out.
 
Hmm. So we may need a Regenerationn expert to chime in on this about whether or not characters with High-Mid Regenerationn can be knocked unconscious.

Also, her powering up from fire/heat/lava could be used against her, as Power Swap lets Magmar exchange boosts to Attack & Sp. Atk boosts with its opponent.

Supposing Lavagirl's boosts to AP count as something Power Swap can give to Magmar, Power Swap would let Magmar trade its boosts for hers; Used right, it could get a net gain in AP & hers would effectively be lowered from the loss of her boosts. Although, PS would probably be bad to use after Belly Drum, assuming +6 ATK affects non-Pokemon like it does Pokemon.
 
Thing is, Power Swap only works with Stats Amplification, and Empowerment is different from that
 
@Starter Pack: Do you have any idea if characters with High-Mid Regenerationn, Lavagirl especially, can be knocked unconscious?
 
I'm not really the right person to ask something like that, but I don't see any reason why not.
 
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