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Wolf vs The Ashen One (GRACE)

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Surprisingly, Sekiro has a way to put Ashen One down with the Mortal Blade. But I dont see any way for Ashen One to put the wolf down though.
 
Soul absorption should do though.

So Ashen One scales to 60.35 Tons of TNT while Wolf scales to 84.80 Tons of TNT. Rather negligible, though still an advantage nonetheless.

Wolf can redirect Ashen's lightning spears back to them (maybe also their lightning-infused weapons though that's up in the air). Sorcery attacks like soul spears or homing soul mass shouldn't be much of a problem for Wolf considering he's faced Lady Butterfly and Shichimen Warrior.

Ashen is versatile, meaning Wolf would be facing different kinds of weaponry ranging from spears (mikiri counter FTW), hammers, glaives, bows, swords, axes, etc.

In terms of skill, I'd argue Wolf is a lot more skilled in his katana, while Ash is skilled in a variety of weapons some of which I've mentioned above. If they decide to use a katana it might go for Wolf's favor.

Now here's the problem, Ash can bypass Wolf's res with soul absorb while Wolf can neg his with Mortal Blade. But Wolf wouldn't know that until he sees them come back (which they'd be a lot more prepped mind you) or he's given knowledge.

Hmm...
 
Sekiro has a skill that allows him to use the Mortal Blade as an attack rather than a finisher as well. In addition, Sekiro's prosthetic arm also gives him much more versatility than you think.
 
Shit I forgot about that. Yeah, mist raven is going to be really useful if he's faced with acid surge or just any barrage of attacks in general, and as I've said above he can redirect their lightning spears.

In short, I vote for Wolf via gravity
 
That was a joke lol, is why it's crossed out.

Though I still vote for him via slight AP advantage, experience in dealing with homing attacks, lightning reversals, mobility, the prosthetic and what Ovens said.
 
Wait I thought the Ashen One scales to 17 tons. Wasn't the 60 tons recalced in the comments to be 9 tons.
 
the Ashen One would be 8-B+ if that was the case and wouldn't still scale to the asylum demon. Granted there are still a 7-C and 7-B Calc that were accepted that are still floating about (I'll make a thread about them after work), but so maybe the feat could be looked at again, but I don't know much about it.
 
It should probs be evaluated again since a majority have forgotten about it.
 
Yeah, I'll add it to the thread I'm going to make after work. The 7-B was 100% accept (I've talked with a few people and it may scale to Quelaag and other demons like that) it was just forgotten due to the 6-B and 4-C feats.
 
I had a talk with Bambu about the DS scaling and I even had a doc trying to fix it.
 
ah, yes...

this...

this is an incredibly close match. I'm a big ******* nerd for both of them but honestly I'd lend it to Ashen more times than not.

For one, it's questionable that Wolf would even use the mortal blade, even as a normal move. It isn't guaranteed. For two, IIRC Ashen's calc is literally the base boss in the middle of the game, meaning their peak 8-B AP is > that considerably. For three, as said above, there's no question about whether or not Ashen would kill Wolf with the first down, whereas Wolf's is up in the air.

Ashen this early in the game is unlikely to have things like lightning spear or at least won't spam it, it is accessible but only just barely. There's a greater chance of just using weird weapons. As said above Ashen is severely versatile in regards to what he can actually do as far as attacks which methinks might be a good point up for Ashen.

In the end I'd hand it to Ashen One in about 6-7/10. Praise the Sun.
 
I think I'm going to vote Wolf. Assuming the 60 ton end of the Ashen One's calc is accepted Wolf still has the ap advantage. He's a bit more stealthier than anything the Ashen One has fought and the Ashen One requires prep time to get around as stealthy. Granted I feel like the Ashen One is more skilled as he can fight people with thousands of years of experience and he has the versatility advantage easily, but Wolf can ignore immortality directly (even if it's not the most in character), while the Ashen One needs to go for knockout. I think wolf takes this 6/10 times assuming the 60 ton calc is used and the Ashen One isn't a measly 17 tons. (I'll make the dark souls thread probably right now: made it https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3019828?useskin=oasis)
 
Know what...

eh...

okay this one is bothering me a lot but I will say Wolf likely holds skill, at least, over Ashen, or at least more refined methods of combat. Ashen is no slouch but Wolf does maintain actual styles.

So... I will shift my vote to Wolf. This is an incredibly close match.
 
I'd also argue that Wolf isn't an idiot and can understand when something is immortal. While in some armors he would be incapable of understanding that Ashen is a corpse, due to covering the full body and such, if he glimpses that he's only all the more likely to whip out the actual killing weapon. So that bit isn't unreasonable.
 
Considering Unkindled Ash seem to work a bit differently from traditional Undead Ashen One probably won't look that much different from a normal knight. Early Game Ashen One has yet to actually hollow out after all.
 
I mean. They can hollow by that time, you find Yoel in the early game. He'd also have access to any of the starting armors, most of which allow facial recognition.
 
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