Sargeras (WC) vs Son Goku. (Read the OP).

Aparajita · Apr 16, 2016

3-B Sargeras, Highest form Goku. Speed is equalized, as there's no defined speed for Sargeras.

The battle will take place on Earth, Sargeras will appear with all of his power, but in a much smaller form (the same size as Goku.)

Goku must win the fight in a quick manner, as Sargeras' Body Flames is destroying the planet.

Lord_Ghetsis · Apr 18, 2016

Terrible matchup. As awesome as Goku is...Putting him up against Sargeras...Really?

Sargeras stomps. Goku lacks the proper ability to put him down. The Spirit bomb working is debatable

Kaptain2345 · Apr 18, 2016

Goku stomps sargeras.

Goku win via speed.

ThisIsMySwagPack · Apr 18, 2016

There is probably nothing better than watching Sargeras beat the shit out of Goku with his sword. Sargeras convinces Goku to kill himself.

孫悟空Son_Goku孫悟空 · Apr 18, 2016

Goku wins via superior Speed DC Durability

Aparajita · Apr 22, 2016

"Speed is equalized", please god read the OP.

Bump.

孫悟空Son_Goku孫悟空 · Apr 23, 2016

If speed is equalized then goku still wins via superior DC Durability

Krenniko · May 9, 2016

Goku lose. Is a mortal, and sargeras is totally immune to attacks coming from mortal bringing or creations.

Penguinkingpin · May 9, 2016

Goku is no longer a mere mortal, he is a god, albeit, recently became one, he has the energy to beat him, he has higher ap, enough dura to take some hits, and then boom, Sargeras has no idea what hits him.

Krenniko · May 9, 2016

Sargeras is also half-immune to immortal beings, so Goku strikes wouldn't hurt him too much. Also he can probably one shot him with a fel-storm like he do with the pantheon. Not to mention... his body flames (that can be extended for 1000 miles), what effect you think they would have on Goku?

Penguinkingpin · May 10, 2016

Nothing at all, they aren't actual flames here's what his page says about the body flames

"(Sargeras' flesh burns with demonic energy, scorching everything in his path. Sargeras's body flames slowly increase the ambient temperature by up to 50 degrees in every direction for 1,000 miles) The effect on natural climates can be devastating."

Meaning he doesn't create actual flames, his body heat raises the temperature of areas of 1,000 miles away by a whooping 50 degrees, Goku fought Frieza after he had blown a hole into Namek releasing magma from the inner core of Namek, and that releases more than 50 degrees, the temperature of our planet's core is 10,800 degrees farenheit, if Namek is in anyway comparable to Earth, it would be through structure, so assuming that it is, Goku dealt with 10,800 degree temperatures being spewed from a dying planet and yet seemed unfazed by it.

Lord_Ghetsis · May 10, 2016

Question is, does Sargeras have any special ability that makes him immune to conventional damage, requiring special means to defeat him?

Penguinkingpin · May 10, 2016

Lord Ghetsis said:
Question is, does Sargeras have any special ability that makes him immune to conventional damage, requiring special means to defeat him?

He's immune to mortal weapons and slightly immune to immortal weapon, but Goku's attacks are his ki enchanced physical combat and ki blasts, which is life energy, which isn't a basic mortal weapon and even immortal's are overwhelmed by Goku's power sometime, King Kai, Kaioshen, etc.

Aparajita · May 11, 2016

iirc, nothing in DBZ fits the textbook description for Immortal

Krenniko · May 11, 2016

Goku's chi is still the life force of a mortal. So wouldn't help to overcome Sargeras hax. And in his page i didn't see the word "immortality".

Ps: About his flames... you didn't see that he's on fire?

Cropfist · May 11, 2016

Sargeras takes it with his hax.

Aparajita · May 11, 2016

Will edit the OP to make it easier for everyone to understand.

Aparajita · May 11, 2016

I will state my opinion, although my vote won't count for obvious reasons.

The Pantheon (who created everything within in the infinite timelines of Warcraft), claim that Sargeras is the strongest member of them, their shining champion. His Legio numbers in the millions , who he can mentally command and summon them from beyond the Twisting Nether into any planet he travels to. Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, and lesser warlocks are able to conjure them on other planets, no reason to assume Sargeras couldn't.

Sargeras' Body Flames are passive, he can't control them, as his molten skin literally begins to raise the tempature around him. However, his Fire Cloak (which is his body on fire) is different.

Sargeras wins this via hax.

Penguinkingpin · May 11, 2016

Aparajita said:
I will state my opinion, although my vote won't count for obvious reasons.
The Pantheon (who created everything within in the infinite timelines of Warcraft), claim that Sargeras is the strongest member of them, their shining champion. His Legio numbers in the millions , who he can mentally command and summon them from beyond the Twisting Nether into any planet he travels to. Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, and lesser warlocks are able to conjure them on other planets, no reason to assume Sargeras couldn't.

Sargeras' Body Flames are passive, he can't control them, as his molten skin literally begins to raise the tempature around him. However, his Fire Cloak (which is his body on fire) is different.

Sargeras wins this via hax.

This is the worst thing you could've said, you put a bias in, you knew that one character was vastly superior to the other because of hax.

Penguinkingpin · May 11, 2016

Aparajita said:
iirc, nothing in DBZ fits the textbook description for Immortal

We don't use the textbook description for immortal, use the VS battle description and terminology for Immortality.

Aparajita · May 12, 2016

Penguinkingpin said:
This is the worst thing you could've said, you put a bias in, you knew that one character was vastly superior to the other because of hax.

Incorrect. Goku possesses enough DC to easily KO or destroy Sargeras' immortal frame, banishing him back to the Twisting Nether, with a few God-Chi empowered strikes or attacks. It won't be easy, but when is it ever in a Tier 3?

Penguinkingpin · May 12, 2016

Aparajita said:
Penguinkingpin said:

This is the worst thing you could've said, you put a bias in, you knew that one character was vastly superior to the other because of hax.

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Incorrect. Goku possesses enough DC to easily KO or destroy Sargeras' immortal frame, banishing him back to the Twisting Nether, with a few God-Chi empowered strikes or attacks. It won't be easy, but when is it ever in a Tier 3?

Sorry, I had sad that after a rough day.

Aparajita · May 12, 2016

Penguinkingpin said:
Aparajita said:

Penguinkingpin said:

This is the worst thing you could've said, you put a bias in, you knew that one character was vastly superior to the other because of hax.

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Incorrect. Goku possesses enough DC to easily KO or destroy Sargeras' immortal frame, banishing him back to the Twisting Nether, with a few God-Chi empowered strikes or attacks. It won't be easy, but when is it ever in a Tier 3?

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Sorry, I had sad that after a rough day.

No problem

Penguinkingpin · May 12, 2016

@Apa, funny thing, someone tried reporting me for "attacking" you with what I said.

Aparajita · May 12, 2016

Penguinkingpin said:
@Apa, funny thing, someone tried reporting me for "attacking" you with what I said.

Ah, well, at least someone came to my defense.

Krenniko · May 12, 2016

If godly-powered ki can be considered as an immortal weapon, then sargeras can use only is limited immunity against it. He has still a lot of hax, thought. And don't remember that he has a sword against pretty much goku's skin.

Aparajita · May 12, 2016

Gorribal "embodies the darkness that exists in all beings, even noble ones"

The sword, Gorshalach (which was his sword), was broken into two halves when he fell to the darkness. Gorribal is Sargeras' half, and the full sword is quoted to being "the strongest weapon in the universe"

Krenniko · May 13, 2016

Yea, i know that. But i think that he dosen't need the sword lore to impale goku or cut one of his limbs.

Aparajita · May 13, 2016

Krenniko said:
Yea, i know that. But i think that he dosen't need the sword lore to impale goku or cut one of his limbs.

Well, he actually does, because Sargeras is (implied) to be incapable of using Gorshalach because of his dark alignment. Sargeras can, however, use Gorribal - a dagger.

Krenniko · May 13, 2016

Gorribal is not a dagger. Is still a sword, forced using half of Gorshalac. It may be little compared to it, but is still a sword.

TheBeastOfAlaya · Jul 7, 2016

remember that Sargeras has mind and soul manipulation and Goku hasnt resistance to it

+ Goku cannot survive in the vacuum of space and Sargeras can just destroy Earth and surive until goku dies

RadicalMrR · Jul 8, 2016

Aparajita said:
I will state my opinion, although my vote won't count for obvious reasons.
The Pantheon (who created everything within in the infinite timelines of Warcraft), claim that Sargeras is the strongest member of them, their shining champion. His Legio numbers in the millions , who he can mentally command and summon them from beyond the Twisting Nether into any planet he travels to. Archimonde, Kil'jaeden, and lesser warlocks are able to conjure them on other planets, no reason to assume Sargeras couldn't.

Sargeras' Body Flames are passive, he can't control them, as his molten skin literally begins to raise the tempature around him. However, his Fire Cloak (which is his body on fire) is different.

Sargeras wins this via hax.

That first statement makes him 2-A so it's an oulier,hyperbole or something somebody missed and didn't take into account when making his profile

I don't think 50 degrees is gonna kill Goku he managed to survive lava during the Frieza saga and has only gotten stronger

My main question is this,what does it mean and and can you explain how he destroies there soul has well as what is a Pantheon then I will give my vote

Fel storms capable of destroying both the body and soul of the Pantheon

Aparajita · Jul 8, 2016

Pantheon is the Titan Gods over WC.

Also, it's not an outlier, hyperbole, it just hasn't been addressed. I have to write the revision thread.

Zianmoon2 · Jul 8, 2016

Despite Goku being 3-A, while Sargeras is only 3-B, because of the reasons above, including hax, I have to give the win to Sargeras.

PostmodernD · Jul 8, 2016

Sargeras gets my vote. Magic and has goes a long way to closing the gap in pure destructive power, couple that with being immune to mortal weapons and half immune to divine ones and I feel he has the tools to take this fight.

Lord_Ghetsis · Jul 9, 2016

I'd still say Sargeras; hax, immortality, invulnerable towards destructive power via conventional methods. Goku is also only 3-B now.

Man_from_Shadow · Jul 9, 2016

Sargeras has top much hax and Goku can't put him down

Let alone that if we scale him for Nozdormu we enter in massive mismatch

AntorusTheBurningThrone · Jul 16, 2016

Easy win for sargeras. Sargeras ages ago was able to destroy entire stars, 5v1 the pantheon and win, tear through reality, survive through space, do all of that, while having fel magic inside of him. Nowadays, his minions are able to destroy worlds on their own just by using weapons. For expample, goralix the fleshreaper (Sorry if I confused his named), was able to destroy many worlds using his so called maw of the damned. So, if we would compare sargeras now...well...he might actually be able to destroy entire galaxies, if not...then entire galactic clusters.

And while goku might be powerful, even his SSSGSSJ Kaio-ken form isn't going to work out for him. His ki is still ki, it's mortal living energies combined as one, sargeras as no problem figuring out ki all on his own due to his incredible intelligance and everything. So...no...goku...is dead.

And lastly, if you talk about how sargeras was originally scared of the void lords and all that BS, that'd be like saying goku should've bowed down to demon king picolo during that battle he had at age 10/11. We're looking at these guys at their strongest, not during their weakest points. Sargeras wins by hax, power, speed, intellegance, and...litterally everything else. Also, I don't think sargeras is 3b worthy, I'd say he's more or less 2C-2A worthy, maybe even 1D/1B

AntorusTheBurningThrone · Jul 18, 2016

Aparajita said:
Krenniko said:

Yea, i know that. But i think that he dosen't need the sword lore to impale goku or cut one of his limbs.

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Well, he actually does, because Sargeras is (implied) to be incapable of using Gorshalach because of his dark alignment. Sargeras can, however, use Gorribal - a dagger.

While sargeras might not be able to use gor'shalach fully in light, there's still a possibility for the blade to become whole again, but fel fueled. Remember, sargeras only wants to destroy the universe because of another shadow called the void lords, and while his missions and his outside body might be dark, his inner shell does produce a justable cause. Sure the heart might not be redemable, but other hearts have possessed good meanings in the past, despite one having an open opinion about that person being VERY VERY DARK!

So who knows, maybe sargeras is in the middle of re-building his blade, and that's why we haven't seen him on azeroth yet.

Zianmoon2 · Jul 18, 2016

And lastly, if you talk about how sargeras was originally scared of the void lords and all that BS, that'd be like saying goku should've bowed down to demon king picolo during that battle he had at age 10/11. We're looking at these guys at their strongest, not during their weakest points. Sargeras wins by hax, power, speed, intellegance, and...litterally everything else. Also, I don't think sargeras is 3b worthy, I'd say he's more or less 2C-2A worthy, maybe even 1D/1B.

The void lords are stronger than Sargeras. The "void lords" fought in-game are nothing like the ones in lore, and the lore versions are the strongest characters in WC. They themself cannot manifest into the WC universe because they are too big, and send in the Old Gods as their pawns, who managed to give the Titans trouble. The void lords are likely 2-C/2-B, Sargeras should stay where he is, but as I said earlier, he still beats Goku.

Sargeras (WC) vs Son Goku. (Read the OP).

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