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Mammoth Mogul AP and Durability Upgrades

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Mammoth Mogul is above 2A, at least high 2-A
Here, we see Steppenwolf stating that Chaos Knuckles exists on an entirely different and higher plane of existence than his ancestors. This means even CK is a 4D being (he is even stated as such on his profile) and this is backed up by the fact that his existence can't be comprehended by 3D beings, also stated by Steppenwolf.

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Next, it is stated by Steppenwolf that the ancient walkers exist on yet another plane even higher than the one CK resides in. This means the ancient walkers would be 5th dimensional beings, which is supported by the fact that they exist within the chaos force, which exists beyond the space-time of the infinite multiverse.


So now we know the walkers are 5D. Even Mammoth Mogul 1, who is far inferior to MM2 was able to deal a lethal blow to these 5D beings while heavily fatigued. This means that even Mogul 1 has a level of 5D power, as he was able to mortally wound the walkers while weakened.

Next is some supplementary material to back up these claims with more evidence. Chaos Knuckles, when meeting Aurora can't comprehend aurora's True form. It's is proven when Aurora says that she appears as whatever knuckles imagines her to be, as her true form is incomprehensible to him.

we also know that MM2 became one with the chaos force, as stated on his profile. I just proved above that the chaos force and the beings residing in it are 5D, as it's on a higher plane of existence and and transcends 4D.


with all this in mind. MM2 is easily a 5D being along with Titan Tails.
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This has been already discussed, but I still do think they should get possibly High 2-A. IIRC, the Chaos Force transcends space and time in a verse that has multiple infinite multiverses so I agree but you'll have to get Shadow, Shake, Executor, and maybe even Maverick to respond.
 
Yeah, half of us weren't really there to defend High 2-A when the downgrade happened. I say there's a fair chance of them getting back there once Maverick is done with everything else Sonic-related.

Things like this just take time, but it'll happen eventually. A 2-A, possibly High 2-A rating holds some merit.
 
Lol Archie 2-As would stomp Skeletor if they become high 2-A

Unless Skeletor's existence erasure is way too powerful that even they can't resist and being passive.
 
Skelly boi is a skeleton tho. Nobody can beat Skeletor and his magnificent yet nonexistent trombone.

Anyways, I agree with this.
 
If you guys want to upgrade SrchieSonic to High 2-A, I suggest you do a whole cosmology revision rather than just 1 character.
 
The real cal howard said:
This is the exact same thing that I had downgraded so long ago...
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Why does that debunk any of this? Is your downgrade WoG? No. Substiantiate your downgrade this time around. Simple enough.
 
The real cal howard said:
This is the exact same thing that I had downgraded so long ago...
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When Maverick makes the Cosmology blog, expect all of us to be on the thread to argue for it. The people who are the relevant ones now weren't mostly around back then.
 
ED INFINITUM said:
Hey,take it easy on Cal,it seems like he's been getting the short end of the stick lately...
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That doesn't seem like the problem of the wiki, more of he should take a break if fictional debating is getting to his psyche that badly.
 
To be fair to Cal, if this is the same thing that got downgraded before, the burden isn't on him to rehash already existing arguments, it's for you guys to explain why the original downgrade was wrong
 
I don't know what the existing arguments are. I didn't even know they used to be high 2A. I'm pretty new here
 
That's fair enough (welcome to the wiki btw).

I can try and find the downgrade thread if you want?
 
The main argument I saw is that the chaos force doesn't transcend the infinite multiverse, but my scan above provides evidence that it does. It's literally stated to be on a higher plane of existence than CK is, and CK is stated to be on a higher plane than his ancestors. The simpler truth is that it's referring to transcending the multiverse due to the fact that the chaos force:

1. Is the force that binds all things together

2. Gave MM the power to destroy all of existence, which he then proceeded to do. Not to mention Titan Tails restored all of it instantly.

3. Gave SS the power to erase Maginary World and alter all of reality across the infinite multiverse.

4. It's also verbatim stated in a different scan to exist in a realm above all of time-space, and that same scan gives even more evidence that Aurora is on a higher plane.
 
The problem isn't the Chaos Force being on a higher plane. That much is obvious. Problem is that's only 4-D. What's being argued is that where all the dead hedgehogs go is a higher dimension. Higher plane doesn't always equal dimension though. What's likely being stated here is that when they die, they ascend to a higher plane by going to the Chaos Force eventually, not that the inbetween area (which is just Mobius) is a higher dimension.
 
It's stated that CK is on a higher plane, and the CF is on a higher plane than him. Are normal Sonic characters 2D then?
 
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