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Demi Fiend vs Archie Sonic

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"Alright, Sonic if you beat me then I will let you be in my game." Demi fiend said looking at the blue blur. "If I beat you that defeats the point of me even wanting to be in one." Sonic replied.

"Ah so you want to be in my game just for vs battles and not for the honor of the game itself."

Demi fiend was quite sad that Sonic would be this shallow.

"**** yeah I don't, I'm the face of Sega why would I be in your game just to honor it? I need that high 1-C immortality my dood." Sonic said with the most punchable face on the multiverse.

"You're going down Hedgehog!"

"No thanks, hold this L for me you Demi shit."


-Bloodlusted, other than that SBA

-Ultra Sonic

-Mid game Demi fiend

Sonic: 7 (ShadowWarrior1999, Dragopentling AboogieYesSir, ShakeResounding, Glaceon, ItsEliminationTime, Maverick)

Demi Fiend: 1 (LukaSolosYourVerse)
 
Mid-game Demi-Fiend isn't infinitely above baseline, or so I've heard.

That being said, how far into 2-A is this version?
 
Oh shit. Well not as much as Sonic I'm pretty sure. This guy is crowned as the strongest non infinite 2-A here. Maybe I should change it to Super.
 
@MYHERO No point in doing that, because Super Sonic is the one with that scaling. Ultra Sonic's just even stronger.
 
So it's bloodlusted, huh?

Demi-Fiend resists a fair bit of what Sonic can do, but... I think that's about it on what he has going for him. Masakados would be Sonic's biggest hurdle hands dowm, but does he have access to any here?

Sonic also resists or no-sells a fair bit of what Demi-Fiend can do. Anything negative/darkness related gets weakened by Holy Manip (which I don't see a resistance to), he's already been shown to be unaffected by curses and magic, Power Rings can counteract any type of Stats Reduction, he retains his Life Force and has Type 8 immortality, and also seems to have the AP advantage.

Sonic takes my vote here.
 
Tbh, I doubt that Demifiend would be no-sold by Holy Manipulation, judging by the amount of Holy and Devine beings he fights against, like Angels and Holy Beasts as well as Light/Holy spells like Hama skills. beisdes, Mute Statuses as well as debuffs kind of have a similar giccmick.

Also, if SMT can have a crossover with Dante and Bayonetta, why not with Sonic? I guess that he's too kid-friendly of a character, especially how he's viewed in Japan.
 
Demi-fiend isn't as potent as the conceptual lolis from Madoka Magica in the current key being used. I'm pretty sure Sonic can take this match, but again, it depends on the potency of each side's abilities/resistances. Also, Demi-Fiend isn't even nigh-omniscient, so there's one less advantage, but he IS super smart at least combat-wise, I think.
 
Sonic can fight people like Mogul who have thousands of years of combat experience.

Like I said, Sonic takes it via AP as this Demi-Fiend isn't infinitely above baseline and lacks regen/higher-D immortality.
 
I'm going to pit SMT Shadow with Composite Sonic if the crossover ever actually happens.
 
Pretty sure Demi-fiend nullifies physical attacks + all other types of attacks aside from resistance-bypassing ones like Almighty, but haven't played nocturne myself so idk
 
Nullify, Repel and Drain working on someone leagues above Demified is game mechanic. in game, you could put a Slime that nullifies Phys against Lucifer and his Phys attacks wouldn't work unless he had pierced.

It depends on how much Sonic is above him in terms of AP. if the difference is enormous, then no.
 
Considering the nature of resistances in the series, he probably could theoretically, as stronger enemies in the games don't automatically bypass resistances of weaker ones just because they're stronger.
 
As far as I can recall, non-infinitely above baseline SMT 2-As aren't that strong. Considering that all the Pre-Great Harmony Chaos Emeralds are enough to cover a planet's surface 7 times over, and just 14 of those are 2-A, and of course that's only Super Sonic, Ultra Sonic is even stronger than that, saying Demi-Fiend can nullify physical attacks that strong is extreme NLF.
 
Also, I think that Demi-fiend's 2-A key should place him a little bit higher into the scale since if it includes him just prior to the Kagutsuchi fight, he should still be able to beat other very potent Demons like Ahriman, Baal Avatar, Baalzebub, Noah etcetera.

As for Almighty attacks, their mechanic is kinda weird in regards to what negates dura and what not, but stuff like Life and Soul Drain would.
 
I said still prior to the Kagutsuchi fight.

He fights 2-As which are above the angels, but who still aren't into the "at least" territory.
 
LukaSolosYourVerse said:
I don't really understand how saying that higher AP doesn't automatically invalidate attack nullification is NLF
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I can put my hand out to block a toddler from hitting me.

Can I do the same to a runaway freight train?
 
And yah non-infinite SMT 2-As are the basic ol guy > other guy >>> other guy > other guy, the stat difference means Demi fiend isn't able to scratch sonic himself. I'm tempted to just say inconc cause of that tbh
 
Archie 2-As are seemingly the strongest non-infinite 2-As on the site by a ridiculous degree, the Chaos Emeralds justification go further into detail. While it would be fine to assume those would work if their AP was comparable, Sonic holds a big AP advantage.

You can use a painkiller to numb pain, it doesn't mean you're outright immune to feeling it. (Iffy comparison, I know)
 
I'm voting Inconclusive, since I'm not actually sure whether or not Null skills working against higher AP opponents can be chalked up to pure gameplay and nothing more. Masakados's resistances work against beings up to Kagutsuchi as well as Lucifer, and there's really nothing concrete to indicate that those specifically scale to AP. It could just be a case of hax, though that's not entirely clear either.
 
Yes, but Mid-game Demi-fiend gets Masakados (unless I'm misunderstanding things), which he presumably uses throughout the rest of Nocturne.

There's nothing to suggest those resistances got stronger as he did, thus I'm unsure if they scale to AP.
 
Why would hax/resistance directly tie in to physical stats in the first place (Aside from when specifically stated to be the case)?
 
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