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Jotaro vs Kenshiro

Well...Muso tensei makes Kenshiro Intangible and EoH Star Platinum can change reality so..i don't know, also Jotaro would need to be bloodlusted to kill Kenshiro i think, but it's like a who lands a blow first wins battle, so..idk, since speed is equalized...for now i won't vote anyone.
 
Kenshiro can't see SP so Kenshiro basically gets Kenshiro'd once he tries to get within 2 meters of Jotaro to attack, because Jotaro probably would go for Reality Overwright once he realizes punching won't do jack all and ZA WARDO will give him time to do it.
 
Uh..but isn't he intangible on mudo tensei? so...even after time stop how would jotaro beat him? i don't think SP can touch someone intagible, can he? also if he can't touch Kenshiro then, no reality overwrite
 
Thanks, also as long as i know Ken with Muso Tensei becomes basically intangible so, nothing can touch him, but you have to consider that Ken probably won't activate Muso Tensei at the start so...jotaro can..easily beat him or..maybe not? i don't know, because Kenshiro can use his power to sense another fighter auras he could at least feel Star Platinum and could feel where he is punching with his sense the air abilty, so he could dogde all the attacks and simply beat Jotaro, all he would need to do is to do land one hit and Jotaro, then end, well i vote for Kenshiro.
 
How does Jotaro deal with Ken's Precognition, exactly? He can see the future attack of opponents, or just where and when they are coming if people are in his aura. With Speed Equalized and vastly superior skill, he should be doging SP easily.

And if even one hit gets in despite the fact Jotaro is not using any visible martial arts, Ken is gonna be up on his guard if we assume an attack gets though.

Or so I believe as of right now. I'd like someone that knows more about Ken to comment.
 
It depends on what Kenshiro leads with. Muso Tensei makes him intangible and then he taps Jotaro once Jojo tries to hit him and fails. If he doesn't and starts punching, Jotaro counters with SP, both notice it isn't doing anything to each other, Jojo stops time and over writes.

Very sure Kenshiro doesn't randomly lead with muso tensei at the very start against an unknown opponent so I'm voting Jotaro to win more often than not
 
I don't see Jotaro losing this fight very often. Not only is Kenshiro's instant-death nerve strikes delayed (giving Star Platinum and Jotaro time to realize what's happening and over-write it) but him touching Jotaro in the first place seems like a huge obstacle. I doubt he would ever get past the intangible barrier that is Star Platinum.

When the fight begins to heat up or Jotaro gets bored, he will just erase Kenshiro. Muso Tensei doesn't save him if Jotaro can re-write reality here. He just erases his non-existant form.
 
Sure and I grant you that, but like I said, if the fight truly begins to heat up there is nothing stopping Jotaro from just erasing him. It's extremely unlikely that he'll choose not to erase an attacker he can't even touch.

Kenshiro's shockwave can be negated, like when he undid HA DIO's shenanigans. Any obvious fatal blow is going to be casually overwritten, there's no logical reason why Jotaro would choose to rather get hit by it instead.
 
But if the fight starts to get heated Kenshiro could possibly use Muso Tensei, but if he was hitted by SP then he would have problems later in battle, but if he dogded all atacks since the start i think he could stand a chance to land a hit on jotaro and blow him without his knowlegde.
 
Kenshiro can shoot ki to hit pressure points from afar for reference

He can also go through auras and people with it. For instance, he once shot out some ki, hit a guy, tapped the pressure points on his back him pulverized the rock behind them

Okay, dunno if the guy had his Aura up, but, Jotaro definitely isn't safe just because he's at range when Ki is a thing.

If Jotaro doesn't overwrite said Low 6-B blow he's also going to get pasted, for reference.
 
I'm aware Kenshiro can launch his ki but there are problems with that. For one it will forcefully interact with Star Platinum making him an effective shield against it. Second of all, most of Kenshiro's nerve strikes are delayed. As in Jotaro is given an x amount of time before he dies. Not only is it in-character for Ken to broadcast this as a warning, but I have my doubts that Jotaro wouldn't feel anything. If his head starts to swell up it's entirely possible for him to quickly negate the nerve strike before it explodes.

Jotaro from that point on is likely to just wipe Ken away entirely because he realises that he's an incredible threat. Or maybe if he's not necessarily going for the kill he'll use Star Platinum to power null Ken's strength and nerve strike techniques. All entirely possible

I just don't see Kenshiro winning against someone with reality warping like this. His preference to use delayed kill strikes seems like a major exploitable flaw.
 
Problem is, Platnium has 8-C dura and Ken is Low 6-B in base.

If his head already starts swelling up, he'd be way too busy not comprehending the situation to negate it. And I don't think Ken does the whole Kenshiro thing when he's in a fight.

Not to mention, if Jotaro like, acts in character, his hand goes missing upon contact with Muso Tensei before having his head punched off
 
Well there's nothing stopping Star Platinum from repairing any damage from ki strikes or simply just making himself stronger or even making Kenshiro weaker.

Jotaro doesn't need 100% thought to use Star Platinum. His stand can act in general self preservance and has worked at a high level despite him cutting off oxygen to the rest of his body including his brain. He's caught a bullet that Jotaro tried to shoot himself with. He's an automatic defense system that works towards Jotaro's basic well being.

If Jotaro feels the uncomprehendable sensation of having your head swell up against your skull, Star Platinum can and will act, nulling the attack and healing him.

In-character I doubt EOH Jotaro would even bother tolerate a fight with Kenshiro considering the shit that he's been through up until that point. If Ken challenges a fight, Jotaro basically tells him to "**** off". If he further initiates Jotaro likely just insta-erases. It goes with his personality and there's no downside for him to do so.
 
Keep in mind I'm not saying Star Platinum is sentient. He may be but I don't think so, not too much evidence in terms of personality and such. I just think that he's more so acting on Jotaro's subconcious qualities and interests.

In this case, Jotaro would much rather be alive than have his head swell up and explode. Thus I see no reason for Star Platinum not to act on that desire and re-write the issue if needed.
 
Nothing stopping him but the fact Jotaro never does that.

Fair point, but that doesn't prove it allows him to use his reality warping, a special ability on instinct, especially considering star Platnium wasn't really instinctual ever since Jotaro got a grip of using it.

Jotaro is a physical brawler first and foremost. Yeah, he probably isn't in the mood for forkery, but that's not the way he'd express it by a Longshot. Even so, I think Jotaro's heaven requires punch contact, which won't be very helpful when his fist ceases to exist upon contact.
 
Never does what?

Using your Stand in general is a very instinctual thing as described by Josuke to Koichi. Jotaro doesn't control Star Platinum persay, he summons him and has him act based on his will. If it's in his will to erase Kenshiro, then Star Platinum will erase Kenshiro. Everything related through use of your stand is supposed to be instinctual.

Star Platinum needs to erase on contact, yes. The situation would be more like Star Platinum punches Kenshiro and his fist gets erased due to Muso Tensei (assuming it can do that to his Stand which I'm nots ure). Kenshiro doesn't hesitate and goes for the strike to Jotaro's head. Before he can reach him though time stops. Jotaro heals his lost arm with his reality overwrite and curses off Kenshiro before erasing him entirely.
 
Can't Kenshiro just create clones with his power? Star Platinum would start punching a lot of them trying to figure out who is the real one, while that Kenshiro would just appear behind Jotaro and could attack his pressure points and then boom, but maybe Star Platinum would try to save Jotaro seeing that his head is almost exploding so idk.
 
He never erases in character. Name one time hes taken any of his abilites over just punching someone.

I... Don't remember that really being a thing, but alright.

Actually, another thing Muso Tensei does, on Instinct I must note, it warps space to evade punches like that. Even if he does what you're saying, his fist still just warps around Ken and he punches him in the face.

Not to mention, you assume that Ken is going to just take it when he knows he's in the middle of a fight and is a Martial Artist. He'd be much more likely to just move his fist to the side then blow his head off. Stands don't work when you've been hit by a Low 6-B.
 
im feel like Jotaro is gonna go for erasure the moment he realizes his punches are not doing shit.
 
@DMUA

He had RO for literally one fight. In said fight he used it to counter HA DIO's RO and to heal himself. Obviously he couldn't erase since DIO was countering his erasure. There's not much suggesting he wouldn't erase.
 
Jotaro FRA, he needs his abilities though, cause while I think SP is vastly higher than what he's listed, he still wouldn't be able to hurt Kenshiro himself, so Jotaro via erasure
 
In the origional fight, Jotaro said just killing DIO instantly would put a bad taste in his mouth. Likely it's the same here. Also we arn't saying he'd erase on sight. We're saying he'd erase in stopped time after punching would do jack all.
 
He wouldn't have an opportunity to realize under most circumstances

If he punches, he either gets a punch in return, has his fist cease to exist via Muso Tensei followed up by a punch, or just explodes via ki projectile.
 
He punches with SP, meaning he's outside Kenshiro's immidiate range. He realizes punching won't do jack (Because thinking is effing instantanious in anime) and stops time and overwrights Ken.
 
If he wants to punch with Star Platnium, Ken also has plenty of time to just hit him with Ki or hit Star Platnium directly with enough AP to take him out.

Generally if he aims to hit with Star Platnium, one way or another he's going to die.
 
He can't hit SP. That's not how stands work. You need to be able to attack souls or be a ghost to be able to attack stands without having a stand yourself.
 
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