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Ban vs Lucetta (When you spend so much time thinking whether or not you could, you forget to think about whether you should)

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well as stated in Lucetta vs Akabane, Law Hax is a no go

what else does Ban do in-character?
 
Hl3 or bust said:
that's 2-A mind hax right?
if so, not sure if Lucetta resists
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Nah, it's reality warping.

It creates a reality to make you to believe something. If you do end up believing that something, it's GG cus he reality will turn that belief into reality. It's pretty busted, as there is no real way to resist it besides...being blind i guess which would give you outright imminity to it xD. Since it's an ability that works by trying to convince you sth is real. But after that it can just will manip, kill, etc etc.

Ban also has BFR to The Archiver.
 
ok then Lucetta probably resists due to resisting reality warping and mind manip, kinda noping both of it's way to do things

BFR is an issue unless this is Perenial Lucetta, who can't leave The House
 
No reality warping the world around Lucetta. Example:

I reality warp the world into nothingness (erased everything but you), now you are standing in vacuum and since you can't breathe, then you believe you die. This was just an illusion doe, but you are actually dead because you believed it.

It doesn't try to reality warp you, though if you look into his eyes you'll see a different reality, believe that reality is real and it's GG.
 
well 1: having to look into his eyes is a pretty big weakness and 2: Lucetta has like at least 8-D type 8 iirc, so if she dies to that she comes back
 
Actually it's not that hard. When looking at someone eyes get most of the attention. Someone in verse used precog to avoid eye contact (because he knew about the Jagan ofc). And in most cases it's nigh impossible to avoid looking at the eyes (unless you do it consciously), but with no knowledge it's pretty hard to.

And it's not just death, you can read his profile. Will power manip, turning someone mindless, fate manip etc, anything is fair game as long as he wants you to believe it.
 
There are 2 ways to it:

1. Rewinds time to turn you to how you once were (before you were born)

2. Breaks you down into information and stores you in The Archiver. It's more like sealing then BFR, but it's just a type of info manip anyway.

Then there is also the will manip from Ban.
 
She resists void manip, which includes existence erasure. I'm thinking this is probably gonna go inconclusive.

What good defensive hax does he have?
 
Iapitus The Impaler said:
She resists void manip, which includes existence erasure. I'm thinking this is probably gonna go inconclusive.
What good defensive hax does he have?
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Actually EE includes void manip, not the other way around. Void manip works by manipulating nothingness, ban doesn't affect nothingness, he affects information.

Well most hax on the wiki rly.
 
>The beginning of 2019

>Am on VSBW waiting for debate

>Starts wondering about the reason humans were born
 
Pretty sure it's the other way around. Either way, Lucetta gets it from resisting Bottled Oblivion as well as other stuff, so it falls under both. It felt redundant to put both down.

Care to be more specific?
 
Also just to clarify: Void manipulation is to erase beings by manipulating nothingness (has other applications but this is the base), while EE is just the ability to cause something to stop existing (Can be done through nothingness manip, reality warping, destruction on every level etc, if it stops existing it's EE).

She has resisted being broken down to an informational level and then erased by erasing said information. Didn't you say she doesn't resist info manip?

Well everything (every hax) this guy, this guy, this guy and some other guys who don't have a profile yet have. As little as that amount of hax resistance. xD
 
Void = Nothingness

Resisting Void = Resisting Nothingness

EE = Reducing something to nothingness

If Iapitus is telling the truth and they just equated void hax to EE (which are basically the same things), then EE is a no.
 
It's resisting the manipulation of nothingness, still doesn't mean you resist having your information erased or getting destroyed like Sirzechs Lucifer does.

Jagan is still a thing.
 
Elaborate on Jagan? I'm assuming Iap was truthful in that Lucetta does indeed resist EE for now.
 
He tries to make you believe something by showing you a different reality. You believe it and it's gg. Since he gains every bit of info on you when the jagan begins it's nigh impossible to not believe something he shows you.
 
And if you don't believe it?
 
It depends on the Illusion he shows you. Ban has done heavy Illusions, like making some guy think he was being tested on and he ended up becoming a human vegetable but it was stated he wouldn't stat like that forever.

Then there are his low grade ones like him creating a t rex against Akabane, Himiko, and the other guy but all that did was scary them and that was it.

Also, while he gained information on the bug thing and was capable of seeing into his past and similar to others, he doesn't always gain information.

Like when he used the Evil Eye on Akabane and Kagami, he still new nothing about the two throughout the series.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
And if you don't believe it?
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It's REALLY hard. I mean This guy and this guy were b-slapping reality warping and stuff from The Archiver yet the Jagan just man handled them ez.

@Griffin, well he was usually in missions when doing those, so his main need was to get out of there with the materials, not to find their past or incap them. When against the mafia dude (the mission was over), or against Sariel where he "forgot" (stopped caring) about the mission and was just mad at Lucifer for controlling kids and other cases he gets full info on people's life and such and creates a complex enough illusion you are..."forced" to believe in a sense, because it can be no different from real life. Yes ofc a T-Rex might not fool you, but seeing yourself trash Ban and then you wanting to go home because "match is over" will as it's no different from reality.

That's the thing Bambu, Ban being unable to make you believe something he wants you to believe is nigh impossible, cus as i said Akabane is responsable for the creation of the virtual world, yet gets owned ez-pz. Ginji has seen Ban use the Jagan literally millions of times, yet when Ban used it he believed it fully (though his luck Ban meant no ill will towards ginji xD)
 
Those two things, creating a world and believing something, aren't related. Being skeptical of things seems to be enough to neg that ability.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
Those two things, creating a world and believing something, aren't related. Being skeptical of things seems to be enough to neg that ability.
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Hardly. Looking into his eyes is basically GG in verse. He has enough knowledge to create a world you will end up believing either way. There are only 2 people who to some extent countered the Jagan, the 1st is some dude with precog and knowledge on the Jagan so he did that by avoiding all eye contact. The 2nd is sariel whose guardian angel is blind (yet still got screwed over). But yeah there are no ways to argue that someone would end up not believing something Ban wants them to believe, especially when it casually manhandles people who look through illusions made by Infinity Fortress like Akabane or Ginji.
 
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They're starting from 4km. Not looking in his eyes seems to be a rather easy task.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
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They're starting from 4km. Not looking in his eyes seems to be a rather easy task.
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Nah, 4km still allows for the characters to be in line of sight. So yes, jagan.

Also info manip her out of existence is still a way.
 
To look directly into the eyes, no.

That's the same void stuff though.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
To look directly into the eyes, no.
That's the same void stuff though.
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Being in someone's line of sight makes it painfully hard not to look into his/her eyes. The manga also makes this painfully clear where some dude used precog to avoid eye contact and still looked into his eyes without noticing. So yes eye contact is legit.

Erasing information =/= manipulating nothingness =/= destruction into EE there are clear differences between the forms of EE. Equalizing is like saying "i resist reality warping therefore every concievable ability that exists since every ability is just a low/high-end form of reality warping". As Iap stated Lucetta has never resisted info manip.
 
How often every day do you lock eyes from someone from four kilometers away
 
Mr. Bambu said:
How often every day do you lock eyes from someone from four kilometers away
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Not lock eyes, as in actually stare. More like a glimpse by having them in your field of vision.
 
How often every day do you see something a straight line from you four kilometers away.
 
Mr. Bambu said:
How often every day do you see something a straight line from you four kilometers away.
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Every day basically. You do know what the highest line of sight range is for humans right?
 
No no. I mean including obstacles. There are obstacles in central park.
 
Yes ofc, but iirc SBA ensures that the fighters know who they are fighting and they are in line of sight.
 
Where does SBA say that?
 
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