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Questions about Masadaverse (2)

UnknownGodXXX

UnknownGodXXX

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Previous thread: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2398925#160

My doubt on the Hyperdimensional Throne was cleared because the Throne exists beyond the Singularity/Nothingness which wouldn't make sense if the Throne is bounded by dimensionality.

However there are still things that I would like to adress: 1. "Heaven (what Hadou Gods are called) is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, everything and nothing" You could sse this in the Masadaverse explanation page, exactly in the Throne section. My question about this has still haven't been answered and my question is just scans with translations and context to support this claim

2. I'm just gonna send a screenshot of the things I need to be answered, and all I need is context, scans and translation.
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3. (i.e. Twilight Beach, separate infinite worlds exist as it were "under the" Throne, beyond creation) This is from the Throne section in the Masadaverse explanation page as well, it states that Twilight Beach is a separate infinite worlds. I thought the Singularity and Twilight Beach are the same? Marie is referred to as the Singularity
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and the Singularity is a "place" of nothingness. If the Twilight Beach and Singularity are not the same then what's the key difference between them? Send scans and with translation(if they are untranslated)
 
No

Twilight Beach is a realm existing outside of Throne domain created by Mercurius himself

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  • The twilight beach. A closed world where the shining gold of sea and sun are in eternal stagnation. No person was here, for those that existed in this frozen permanence space were not living beings, neither humans. Then, were they dead? Was being robbed of life the requirement of becoming a dweller in this world? No. Even the dead flow, alter, wears away and disappear. In that case, the person who lived here remained everlasting, an unchanging truth. Existing, yet not existing. Contradiction. Therefore, a being of eternity. One beyond the pale of divine providence (quote comes from VN itself not atwiki)
And yes, it is stated to be of infinite distance with time forever stopped. Gods are eternal unchanging truth so such things don't even mean anything

As for Marie being singularity. That's nature of Gudou Gods. They all exists outside the world laws and its concepts since they are walking singularities. That's why they don't affect reality even though of their cosmic nature...they can however decide to screw reality if they ever so desire.

Can bring scans for Gudou and their nature tomorrow since i'll have access to PC (for a short time though).

Still trying to find the Alpha and Omega thing.
 
I have that scan that's from Dies Irae. Maybe I passed it or something similar, I don't remember the novel being stated that Mercurius created the Twilight Beach.

And which one is it? The Singularity is inside the Twilight Beach or the Twilight Beach is inside the Singularity?

What you mean by the Gudou Gods being Singularities, you mean they are self-centered right? Not the "Singularity" where the clash of two Atziluth Laws create.

And you can take your time, no biggie.
 
Nah The Singularity isn't in the Twilight Beach. Twilight Beach exists somewhere between Singularity and Throne. The term Singularity in the scan you posted refers to Marie

As for the Gudou Gods. They are called "A walking singular point" due to their self-contained nature. They don't erode physical world with their abilities unless they desire so and exists outside the world and its concepts

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The part highlighted in this (Source btw) can be translated as "Walking Singularity" or just like you posted there, the Singularity (No need to bother with the other kanji since they are just saying what i just said previously + your scan of Marie)

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  • But her soul remains in the Twilight Beach, a world of its own, all while singing the refrain of blood
There's more i guess but i'll have to see later (I don't have Dies Irae with me so i have to rely on atwiki mostly)
 
I get it now but if Marie was really a Gudou God at the start of the visual novel then how did Eleonare affected her? You said that the Twilight Beach was created by Mercurius right? I'm still waiting for proof on that.
 
I just love how most Masada people in this wiki when asked the most basic stuffs, they say that "that question has already been answered" or "a thread was already made for that" yet I literally browsed through every Masada thread in this wiki and none has answers to the questions that I've been asking.
 
And most are using "degrees of transcendence" above baseline in every 1-A Masada match ups yet most are oblivious to prove onto how this "degree of transcendence" works.
 
Atziluth-Tai - The law of the throne. It's the wellspring of the concepts that operate in the setting, basically the mechanics of the cosmology itself. Hadou God's define their own mechanics so Paradise lost, Dies Irae and Kajiri Kamui Kagura are governed by different set of rules/laws. Aside from the macro mechanics (Taikyoku, etc.) of setting.

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The important part here is the "whether the concept of (insert here) exist or not." How does the concept of (anything)" irrelevant to the Atziluth Gods. What scan does it imply or state that? Cause I know they are not above the concept of craving because that is what Atziluth and Taikyoku Laws are based of, Reinhard isn't above the concept of destruction also because that is what his Law is based on(loving everything as love is equal to destruction). Those are clear distinction that Atziluth and Taikyoku Gods aren't above the concept of (anything/insert here) as the explanation imply, the lack of scan and context-- rather than lack of scans, it is an absence of scans and because of that, I doubt and question it


To those that will oppose my statement then make sure that you have scans(with correct translation if they are untranslated and context) with you
 
I already notify them yet they aren't answering

@Phoenix

That discussion doesn't answer my request though and I already read that.
 
I don't think that we have a lot of Masadaverse fans still active in this wiki.
 
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