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Rocker1189

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Reopened for the third time cause this needs to be seen so that I am given an explanation.

Warping the moon is not reality warping anymore? Hell we dont even know how the moon was warped. Someone wall have to explain this in detail because this smells like bull crap.

We never even see destructibility High 6-A level.

And let us say that for whatever reason they have destructibility of multi-continental class they can also tank that?

And because pf this absolutely horrendous scaling everyone and their mothers are multi-continental level. In a game where you are meant to run around a distinctively smaller than even a city ship and kill things.

Basically, they should not be High 6-A what does warping a moon mean and how does it translate to AP? If it cant be calced it cant be AP.

How does this relate to striking strength?

How does this relate to durability.
 
Is their High 6-A rating seriously based on reality warping

If so holey doley
 
... you do have alternative feats that they should actually be based on right
 
There are ingame feats they can use and more, but using the moon feat is just dishonest.
 
There is a legitimate 3-A feat though. Or at the very least, type 8 immortality tied to a 3-A realm.
 
Well who does it scale to, does it scale to striking strength and durability? and is it not reality warping.
 
Literally scales to 2 people at best.

However, the overall verse is in serious need of an overhaul.

Like, Kuva can't even be damaged unless it's with Void energy. Operators have type 8 immortality through the Void and so on and so forth.

I'm going to sleep now, so I'll list out the full list of things Warframe needs at a later time.
 
I would rather we just did the AP first or it would be forgotten again.

Have a Good night.
 
Hmm true. Here are some feats i can think of:

1. Destroying Balor Fomorian.

2. Tanking the energy of the void

2. Sealing TMiTW (The embodiment of Void Energy).

3. Destroying multiple of the Grennier large ships.

4. Beating the hell outta Eidolons.

5. Tearing appart "War" which is a sword imbued with the power of Hunhow (the strongest sentient ever).

That's all i can think of rn.
 
And what level do thouse com to the only one I know of that seems quantifiable is destroying Grennier ships and was it done all in one blast? Physically? Or 1 by 1 and with more reality warping /hax shenanigans.

I can see it yielding town level AP if the were not destroyed by explosions due to hitting critical parts of the ships.
 
Also that was counted as AP since it was done through Void Energy which is the same energy powering everyone important in the series (basically chakra). So if someone can control Void Energy to an extent that he can warp the moon couldn't he use the same void energy to project it in the form of AP? That was the original idea which is why i went with it. I think the High 6-A tiering is still fairly good. Though a tier of "At least X, likely High 6-A" would be better.
 
If you seriously think this is "fairly good" scaling on a game like warframe, I dont know what to tell you dude. Void energy is unquantifiable, the moon was not destroyed it was simpply shifted to another place how can that be AP related, it also does not scale physically in any way. and no "At least X, likely High 6-A" is not good at all it is still as bad.
 
Rocker1189 said:
And what level do thouse com to the only one I know of that seems quantifiable is destroying Grennier ships and was it done all in one blast? Physically? Or 1 by 1 and with more reality warping /hax shenanigans.
I can see it yielding town level AP if the were not destroyed by explosions due to hitting critical parts of the ships.
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3-A via sealing TMiTW ovo

And the exploding ship is inquantifiable. We cannot deduce how they get destroyed. You just shoot at ships and they go boom.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
3-A via sealing TMiTW ovo

And the exploding ship is inquantifiable. We cannot deduce how they get destroyed. You just shoot at ships and they go boom.
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I dont think you are getting me at all, that also seems like another shitty AP scaling you dont scale AP via sealing either.

The it cant be used simple.

They have proper feats, why is this trash type of scaling being used. Just to get high results?
 
Can I get someone who really knows warframe on this so that this does not end as the other ones did, ie not being addressed. Because for any other verse this would be terrible scaling.
 
No it's to get normal results.

Lemme quote myself:

it was done through Void Energy which is the same energy powering everyone important in the series (basically chakra). So if someone can control Void Energy to an extent that he can warp the moon couldn't he use the same void energy to project it in the form of AP?

This is why the moon warping feat counted. Same thing for TMiTW. Rell (1 of the zariman children) was actually capable of withholding the power of TMiTW for literal ages. TMiTW being the embodiment of Void Energy (the energy that powers the operators and warframes [though not sentients]). So for the longest time he has been housing a basically 3-A energy.

These are the arguments for high tiers. If we dismiss these then Warframes would be like...idk...High 7-C (likely only in durability for tanking satelite shots) and like 9-B normally.
 
" These are the arguments for high tiers. If we dismiss these then Warframes would be like...idk...High 7-C (likely only in durability for tanking satelite shots) and like 9-B normally. " Yeah and I am sayign that it does not work AT ALL. Because the warping of the moon did nothing to the moon itself, the moon was not destroyed, not was it physically moved a distance over time, in other words it is not quantifiabel and thus can not be used to justify AP. And I dont know about you, but High 7-C Warframe looks perfectly normal to me.

High 6-A is ridiculously overblown. So no it is not normal results your final sentence literally tells me that you want high AP for warframes not accurate AP. It does not matter what energy was used too warp it, but it was warped in other words hax, not AP.
 
"It is not quantifiable" But we did measure it and how much it would be. Warping the moon is a feat that requires a certain amount of energy. This energy came from projecting Void Energy to compress the moon. The amount of energy that was projected/used to compress the moon would cause multi continental level of destruction if it were to be projected in the form of a bullet. This is the idea behind the moon warping feat. It's reality warping that was done through energy, that's why it's quantifiable. That's why it cannot just mearly be disregarded as it is still a feat. Then the best tier rn would look like this:

"At least 9-B, likely High 7-C, possibly High 6-A through Void Energy"
 
Wtf does warping the moon have to do with energy how can you calculate warping a moon wtf does that mean, Since when was it said that the moon was compressed to bullet sized? Do you have a scan that says the moon was compressed tot he size of a bullet?

AND AGAIN. IT. IS. HAX. NOT. A. P. The moon was not physically squeezed to the size of a bullet, which btw I need proof for, it was warped to the size of a bullet via some physucs breaking shenanigans PHYSICS BREAKING, being the main word.

No that is not the best tier rn, the best tier rn would be

"At least 9-B, likely High 7-C"

Until you get another feat.

Also the scaling is trash, at most it would scale to Lotus and no one else.
 
This is literally what the feat was said to be:

" This calc is based off the information described in this post, a feat in which the moon was moved away from the Earth into a "void."

from the calc post, where the heck did compression come from, it was simply moved/teleported.

Which ofcourse does not translate to AP.
 
My bad, forgot it was actually moving. Also stoping a flying object and moving it does not translate to Energy (which is essentially AP by our standards)? Work is a type of measurement for energy, moving an object requires a set amount of energy. Why would it not translate to AP? It's still just projected energy. If goku uses Ki to move the moon into the other side of the galaxy, that's still AP, because he used "his energy" the energy he uses on a daily basis to move an object and keep it trapped. Same thing here. Idk what you are finding so "reality warping" here that it cannot be treated as AP. Reality Warping that is done through energy and abides by the laws of physics can still be calced and transformed into AP.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
My bad, forgot it was actually moving. Also stoping a flying object and moving it does not translate to Energy (which is essentially AP by our standards)? Work is a type of measurement for energy, moving an object requires a set amount of energy. Why would it not translate to AP? It's still just projected energy. If goku uses Ki to move the moon into the other side of the galaxy, that's still AP, because he used "his energy" the energy he uses on a daily basis to move an object and keep it trapped. Same thing here. Idk what you are finding so "reality warping" here that it cannot be treated as AP. Reality Warping that is done through energy and abides by the laws of physics can still be calced and transformed into AP.
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Look we dont know shit about what happened to the mon apart from the fact that it is stuck in the void, nothing says she did anything else but teleport the moon. No point in assuming more than that.

Because she did not physucally move the moon a set distance she just teleported it PLEASE.

Yeah if Goku used ki to telekinetically move the moon sure AP. If he used it to teleport the moon, no not AP.

Hoh boy so now you are saying that reality warping should translate to AP, now this is a new one. I also dont know how teleporting an object can be calced lmao.
 
Was it ever stated it was teleport? If it was and i missed it then my bad.

About Reality Warping = AP. As i said if it follows the laws of physics and can be calced. Example: I take a rock and compress it to about half of it's size through my internal KI. That is literally Matter Manipulation, can be translated into AP. If i use my energy to create a building (if i use my energy and not Medaka Box kind of hax), then it can be translated into AP. Same as how we translate creating multiverses into AP despite being part of reality warping.
 
And I disagree with that completely, if it is reality warping then it is reality warping if not then it is AP. Matter manipualtion is an ability not reality warping.

"Sweet profit, the Moon exists! It-it was in the Void all along! "

In other words she teleported the moon to the void. That was literally it, she hid the moon in the void.
 
Ok then i will agree. The tiering should be:

"At least 9-B, likely High 7-C (or whatever tanking satelite shots or missles and stuff give), Unknown with mods" (Since mod multiply their damage so much that 100 can reach more than 2'000'000'000 (2billion being the max dmg number the game shows) so idk if it can be taken at face value so unknown is good imo).
 
dmg numbers are game mechanics all you can say is possible higher with mods.
 
Well yeah. That's what i meant. The mods multiply damage too much, so it is unknown what the tier would be with them. (I mentioned dmg numbers to show how much they increase dmg, i know the dmg numbers are game mechanics). But yeah. We done here?
 
I guess, though I would want staff to confirm it(not sure how much that is required) so that someone can calc the whole satelite thing.
 
Idk about the satelite thing being calced. I'd say High 7-C is a good assumptions seeing how missiles go from 7-C to 7-B normally. Warframe takes place into a FAR more sophisticated and advanced world and technology so the exact details of the laser shots Kela uses and other weapons are fairly unknown. So a stat somewhere in the middle would be best.
 
I just dont want to assume, the only time something is put up without a calc is when it has been stated (like destroying a mountain is automatically 7-A) so I dont want to assume High 7-C or we would have to CRT it again if someone calcs it as lower. The 7-C end is what should be chosen to be safe.
 
Thanks for this, there is literally no reason for them to be High 6-A.

Yes, the Lotus did hide the moon in another dimension and bring it back. However, we literally have absolutely no idea how this was done since we weren't shown it.

We can't even say it's Reality Warping, a physical strength feat or even a teleportation feat because we don't know anything regarding the incident. It for sure isn't a strength feat though from what we know of Sentinels and the Lotus.

I'm still not sure where they would be though for proper accuracy in regards to durability and AP given how little of physical strength feats they have in cinematics and quest. But for sure the High 6-A needs to be removed.
 
Ok so i thought about the tiering and this was the best i could come up with:

At least 10-A physically. 9-B likely up to High 7-C with weapons.

Since their physical stat should be different from their normal weapon's damage.
 
If Warframes have High 7-C dura, it scales to their AP as physical fighters like Tyl Regor can harm and take hits from Warframes.
 
At least 10-A physically. 9-B likely up to High 7-C with weapons.

@Sigurd

I mean do you agree with this tier then?
 
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