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Warframe downgrade

So is there anything else that we can scale them from instead?
 
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Wok should have some knowledge on the matter. He knows Destiny after all.
 
Antvasima said:
So is there anything else that we can scale them from instead?
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Not rly as there aren't many great feats in Warframe. Though 10-A physically (since we have no idea how strong they are physically but at least peak human seems decent), 9-B up to High 7-C with weapons (their weapons can be scaled from The Real World given that they even go up against space ships and stuff, and Kela even has satelite lasers and missiles).
 
Well, downplaying them to 10-A seems very unreliable, and unknown tiers would not be informative at all.
 
9-B up to High 7-C tiers

Since most weapons scaling from The Real World are in that range, with the usual stuff like Bazzookas being 9-B up to High 7-C which should be a good estimation of Kela's missiles and the archwing stuff (Elytron's buble for example or the enemies).
 
Speed could be another thread, but we can bring it here if needed. They at least have speed feats in cinematics and through mods.

I've gone through quite a few (but not all) of the cinematics and I don't see anything more impressive than Rhino stomping a metal floor plus shattering it and Excalibur cutting through large armored enemies (Lt. Kril).

Also, the Sibear melee weapon has a statement in the codex of "a swing can shatter a mountain".
 
@IMade

So what do you suggest in terms of statistics?

Perhaps you could ask to get some of the feats calculated?
 
The metal floor cracking shouldn't apply as he's doing them through his weight and not AP. A man can break through a window if he falls from space, not as easy if you try to punch through a window.

Zanuka is unquantifiable. It didn't shrug of an onslaught of bullets, zanuka just dodged it so we can't know what level of AP would be needed to rip it in half.

Lt. Krill did tank an onslaught of bullets though including machine guns and shotguns so he may be a bit more quantifiable. Am not too sure.
 
The first metal floor cracking was down by bringing down Scindo from a swing. The point of impact is from Scindo, not Rhino's weight.

Zanuka doesn't dodge bullets only, the first bullet fired at him was multiple rounds from Rhino firing at it with the Sobek shotgun.
 
I have been meaning to work on a revision of the verse for quite some time, but I have been left indisposed as of late.

High 6-A is a little blown out of proportion, as the understanding as to how the Lotus "hid" the moon is unclear, but it is pretty obvious that an average Sentient would not be capable of this kind of destruction. Be it that only Hunhow (which all Sentients come from) had only claimed to be planet-busting in potential and yet never demonstated it.

The only Sentient to have a demonstrated level of destruction in lore comes from the Plains of Eidolon, which is much larger than the regular fodder Sentients the Tenno face:

Quoted from the Gara Legend:

"In the dying days of the Orokin, with forums and promenades still blood-wet from Tenno betrayal, a colossal Sentient descended upon ancient Er, falling from distant stars to deliver upon Orokin a terrible and final ruin. Tower upon Tower fell to its weapons, but one withstood. The Tower of the Unum. The Tenno scattered, but one remained. Gara. She and the Unum - inseparable. The Unum: lodestone of our people, and subject of a hundred stories herself. The Sentient was a deformed creature, twisted and massive, sent from some dark fold of distant space, a warped thing wounded by daylight. By night it was a terror, felling Tower after Tower. Citadel after Citadel. By day it hid, blinded and pained. It was during the day that Gara roamed, yearning to strike it from Creation while it cowered, weakened and blind, to safeguard her beloved Unum. But never could Gara find it."

"The Sentient prowled and pressed and failed, never risking too much - for the Sentient could not reproduce. What it lost it lost forever. It had killed many cities before, felled many Towers, but this little one prevailed. Why, it pondered in many voices, was that? The Unum knew she could not defend forever, nor could her faithful throw their bodies against the Sentient in perpetuity. So she gave her followers some of her blood - her refined Temple kuva - and they in turn gave it to the animals of the land, and the animals became and extension of her and she became an extension of them. And the animals roamed, and searched. And they found where the Sentient chose to hide itself."

Even if we take this literally destroying cities, that only makes this large Sentient 7-B, meaning that the other Sentients or enemies (except Hunhow) need to scale downwards from here.

Another thing that should likely be calculated would be the energy yield required to form Inaros' sandstorm in the short timeframe provided:

"And so for years we lived in peace and our little dunes were our own to keep. But the sands of peace are ever-shifting. Years later, a plague came to the desert. The Infested.

Desperate, our people called out to sky: Inaros! Inaros! But they could not wake him, and so they were consumed by the ravenous horde.

With all lost, the few remaining villagers gathered in the mourning circle to prepare for the end, when suddenly, a storm rose about them, a colossal spiral storm of sand, piercing the sky!

The villagers huddled, trapped within the storm's eye as the beasts charged them. In moments, the beasts were torn apart and the Infested plague was swept away, never to be seen again. As the storm subsided the people ventured out into the desert, hoping to catch a glimpse of their saviour, their beloved Inaros."

"They found his glorious metal body, broken and still, lying in the sand. Did they mourn? No. They knew his spirit had returned to the sky to watch over them once again. They gathered his body to keep it safe from thieves and raiders. They placed the pieces within the Sacred Vessels and entombed them in secret, knowing that one day Inaros would reclaim his body and rise again.

So now my sweet dune, you have no need of fear. Take these grains, and keep them under your pillow. Inaros will watch over you."

The storm is depicted as sudden. sky-piercing, and large enough that the villagers would have to scour the desert to search for his body. This should be used as a baseline for what Tenno are capable of with the use of energy, as Inaros' body is explicitly stated to "become a whirling spiral of sand".

For reference: Sandstorm

Warframe tech shouldn't be scaled to real world weapons as they are ridiculously more destructive, for example, a Gorgo is capable of completely blasting holes through armored people with a single shot:

GorgonShot
The speed justification for their movement should be changed, as Volt doesn't move at lightning speed at all.
Instead, their movement should scale from being faster than shockwaves created from the Shockwave_MOA's stomp. Whatever this speed would be I wouldn't know.

The reactions are fine, as they can be demonstrated in-game without player influence through Excalibur.


This will be my initial post, I will post more things as time goes on.
 
You can scale them to a 6-A.

The base warframe mirage was stated to tear apart groups of sentients with her bare hands, sentients when sleeping (this is a lowball btw) and using the an ability where they are close gives them durability on the level of a multi-continental character.

This would mean that base mirage ( with no damage amp) was able to tear apart high 6-A characters.

Also, conclave and lore suggests that the warframes were on a equal playing field, or atleast relative to each other, so the warframes van easily be scaled to 6-A off this lowball.
 
The giant Sentient in the Plains of Eidolon was only a potential city-buster, so it makes no sense that the smaller Battalysts and Conculysts would be over this by orders of magnitude.


All it means is that the Warframes are stronger than the smaller variants, which don't have a quantified strength.
 
Okay. Did you mention that I would appreciate the help? Warframe is a very prominent franchise.
 
This thread is incredibly biased, you only try debunk lotus warping the moon as the only feat, they have.

Lotus moving of the moon may not be an attack, but the logic behind it makes sense her using it for AP, makes sense.
 
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