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Determination vs. Spiral Power

Does Simon ever Mindhax in character?

Since it seems to be Frisk not Chara, I would expect Frisk spamming Death Refusal like against Asriel Dreemurr, and ACT(ing) until agreement. Would that be incon or his victory?
 
I think that should be inconclusive because neather of them has really defeated the other.

How will Simon mindhax?
 
From the Standard Battle Assumptions page:

"Victory Conditions: Killing the opponent, removing the opponent from the battlefield for at least one week (BFR), knocking the opponent out for at least one hour, or incapacitating the opponent by putting him in a state in which he can not harm the other fighter(s) for over a day, are to be assumed as victory conditions".

So Frisk cant´t win via Spare, and as far as I know, Spare insn't incapacitation.
 
I don't think that's how it works. It's just that most things in verse don't really want to fight.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Frisk doesen't resist mind control
How does Simon's mind manipulation work? Even if Frisk can't resist mind control, will Simon be able to surpass SAVE and LOAD?
 
He can mind control frisk to just not do that, if it works.
 
I've heard that Simon doesn't use mind manip in character

Considering he gets it from scaling to the Anti-Spiral
 
No, it doesn't. There is no reason why that would change his character, and omniscient and nigh omniscient don't scale to enemy verse anyways.
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
Anyway simon mindhaxes
Not in a million years

Crushing someone under his will, if he ever does it, would be followed up by stabbing himself through the heart with his own drill because that is so ludicrously against everything Simon could ever possibly stand for as a human being

This notion brings me legitimate disgust

Either way endless will power stalemate GG
 
If it's forever, I'm pretty sure Simon'd eventually get around to using it.
 
Wokistan said:
If it's forever, I'm pretty sure Simon'd eventually get around to using it.
Frisk would probably sooner convince them to both be friends and cancel the fight honestly

... Actually that's really likely considering they don't know SBA winconditions
 
I heard that that sort of outcome is not allowed.
 
Why not?

It's perfectly in character and they don't know how exactly to beat the other

Why wouldn't Frisk just do what he did to literally every character he's ever encountered?
 
Because SBA having them in a fighting mindset. There's a SBA thread going on, and one of the already established baselines is that characters don't just decide to not fight anymore. If they're to give up it's basically gotta be via some ability like mindhax.
 
Literally the only way Frisk fights is Mercy

Yes it's willing to kill and all that other stuff but Frisk literally only ever uses Mercy

If it's in character

Mercy spam

Not to mention, mindhax doesn't even work like that. He'd have to literally create a Multiversal laybrinth to actually mindhax in a way that's applicable to Mindhax GG

And if he did mindhax (he wouldn't for several reasons), it's a stomp for Simon considering it leaves Frisk no win nor stalemate condition.

In short this thread is dumb
 
Pretty sure undertale has a button labeled "fight" that you're perfectly free to select. Characters not killing is removed by SBA.
 
Even so, him having a "0" show up every time he tries to attack is going to deter him from continuing with that
 
His AP would not be 2-C if he was unable to kill things. If you mean that he wouldn't kill in character, SBA negates that.
 
LV is willingness to hurt. If he has willingness to kill AND 2-C level of determination he will probably automatically transform into Chara.
 
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