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Raizen vs Aizen

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This isn't the raizel I asked for lol, I thought you were talking about the real raizel from Noblesse
 
Does Aizen get his chair?

JK.

But anyways, I'm gonna go with Aizen. They have pretty similar AP, DC, age, versatility, etc but Aizen is at least faster (being at least Massively Hypersonic+ vs Massively Hypersonic) and Kyoka Suigetsu is extremely broken. Also, Aizen's intelligence is a key part of his character; Raizen might be smart, but we don't know it so I am going to give that advantage to Aizen.

Also, I think Aizen is somewhat immortal as well, so there's that.
 
He he gets his chair he wins, if not he still wins. Lol jk, i have no idea who raizel, thought it was Noblesse lol you totally tricked me
 
Well if this was supposed to be Raizel vs Aizen then idk who would win.

But if its Raizen vs Aizen, thats hard to say. Theres been very few brief moments of raizen showcasing full on power. All that we know is, he was known and regarded as the strongest character in the YYH verse, easily took down Post-training yusuke before his own death at his weakest and this was all at what people say "2%" of his power. If we knew more he could be nearly breaking the 5 tier area.

But we don't know his speeds and his real strength in his prime. So i'd put my money on Aizen, who as we know as of now, is faster to an extent. Aizen is also close to getting an upgrade in the future i bet via powerscaling from Yhwach, ichigo and others.
 
Lol well if people are so focused on raizel there was a raizel vs raizen thread a while back https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/205438
 
AIZEN WINS.

1 His soul crush destroy a city of monsters made by god. with him sealed.

2 He can take control of Raizen.

3 Aizen is faster/ smarter/ immortal

4 Hodo 90 makes it game.

In truth Aizen would win even in his chair with his powers sealed.
 
There Stats.

Raizen

Attack At least Continent level+

Speed Massively Hypersonic

Durability: At least Continent level+

Aizen

Attack Continent level

Speed Massively Hypersonic+

Durability Continent level

You would think there close just look at there stats but your wrong. Aizen stats is him with his powers sealed. so how strong do you think he is with all of his power in his final form. Raizen can just stand up to aizen level when he sealed its easy win. Aizen takes it
 
Superanime200 said:
There Stats.
Raizen

Attack At least Continent level+

Speed Massively Hypersonic

Durability: At least Continent level+

Aizen

Attack Continent level

Speed Massively Hypersonic+

Durability Continent level

You would think there close just look at there stats but your wrong. Aizen stats is him with his powers sealed. so how strong do you think he is with all of his power in his final form. Raizen can just stand up to aizen level when he sealed its easy win. Aizen takes it
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Prime Raizen stats aren't on here. The stats here are Starved Raizen, the anime suggests that Starved Raiven was under five percent his prime power, which is equal to or slightly less than Aizen. Raizen wins by far.
 
Lets read what Aizen can do.

Shikai: Kyoka Suigetsu's Shikai ability is 'Perfect Hypnosis'. When released, anyone looking at his zanpakuto will be placed under a state of hypnosis that affects all five senses, with illusions that Aizen can control.

Hado #90: Kurohitsugi (Black Coffin): A high-level Kidō which seals its target in a black spiritual coffin. The practitioner generates a purple/black spiritual energy which, enveloping the target with a powerful torrent of gravity, takes the form of a box of black energy, it has the power to distort space and time.

Bakudo #81: Danku (Splitting Void): A defensive wall created to protect against an enemy's attack. The practitioner creates a translucent barrier in the form of a large rectangular wall.

Hogyoku Transformations: By embedding the Hōgyoku into his chest, Aizen can increase his power several times over by transforming repeatedly.

Also he immortal. he had all his cell destroy and he use his own hodo 90 on him self.

Aizen wins in and out of his chair
 
Those are attributing to Aizen's reputation in his own verse, not so much to a comprable measurement of skills. The OP really is asking for info no one has. Prime Raizen's power is pretty much unknown, though it stated in the anime as signifcantly more than Starved Raizen. So, if OP wants Starved Raizen, then Aizen will probably win.

Note though, that YYH anime also says Starved Raizen is less than five percent power than prime form. Scaling that should move Prime Raizen up at least one tier, absolutely solo crushing Aizen and Bleachverse.
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
Those are attributing to Aizen's reputation in his own verse, not so much to a comprable measurement of skills. The OP really is asking for info no one has. Prime Raizen's power is pretty much unknown, though it stated in the anime as signifcantly more than Starved Raizen. So, if OP wants Starved Raizen, then Aizen will probably win.
Note though, that YYH anime also says Starved Raizen is less than five percent power than prime form. Scaling that should move Prime Raizen up at least one tier, absolutely solo crushing Aizen and Bleachverse.
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Raizen in no way can solo Bleach, even by hype. And here's why Yhwach. Even if you scale him by using precentages you won't get Moon level, nor will you get Sub-Relativistic, and this is not mentioning the hax Yhwach has which outclasses the whole YYH verse by far, if anything Yhwach would solo crush the YYH verse. Also current Aizen's continent level feat is extremely casual while being sealed, so if we want to use unknowns such as either character at full power it's still Aizen since we haven't seen his Bankai which is at least a 10x increase in power, and will certainly be haxed to no end. All in all Aizen is still massively faster (100x faster, Mach 300 + Raizen Vs Mach 3000 + Aizen), and still far more haxed (Raizen still has no counter for Kyoka Suigetsu).

Also the anime isn't cannon, only the manga is, so unless the manga says starving Raizen was only at 5% of his true power than you can't use that arguement.
 
YYH chapter 163 for reference. Starved Raizen is estimated to be at most two percent of full power. With simple math, this means most of his quantifiable stats on this wikia get 4,900 percent increase, putting him at least tier up for prime form. I guess the KSS could work on Raizen, since nothing says he would be immune, but the technique does have quite a few various methods to be overcome.

Could you post reference for Aizen's full power scale?
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
YYH chapter 163 for reference. Starved Raizen is estimated to be at most two percent of full power. With simple math, this means most of his quantifiable stats on this wikia get 4,900 percent increase, putting him at least tier up for prime form. I guess the KSS could work on Raizen, since nothing says he would be immune, but the technique does have quite a few various methods to be overcome.
Could you post reference for Aizen's full power scale?
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I just did a one over of Raizen's profile, his prime form is continent level, so there isn't scaling up or moving up of tiers.As for his power scale, his continent level feat is calced Here, his speed is being scaled from Here. Also there was no real way shown to get out of KS other than not getting trapped in the first place, and with no knowledge he won't know not to look at his sword, or in this case him (Since he doesn't need the sword to trap people in illusions anymore, shown when he messed up Yhwach's perception of time just by him looking at him).
 
Crimson Eyess said:
I just did a one over of Raizen's profile, his prime form is continent level, so there isn't scaling up or moving up of tiers.As for his power scale, his continent level feat is calced Here, his speed is being scaled from Here. Also there was no real way shown to get out of KS other than not getting trapped in the first place, and with no knowledge he won't know not to look at his sword, or in this case him (Since he doesn't need the sword to trap people in illusions anymore, shown when he messed up Yhwach's perception of time just by him looking at him).
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Raizen's stats here are for Starved Raizen as he is in Three Kings Saga. The OP wants Prime Raizen. I get that you're pointing out his stats on this wikia's profile, but that's not what the OP wants. The reason his stats here are this way is from scaling to other characters in YYHverse when he is significantly weakened. So, there has to be a significant rise in the numbers to give the OP what it's asking for.

-- Starved Raizen = 2 percent of prime power = this wikia's profile stats

-- Prime Raizen = 100 percent of prime power (4,900x increase from 2 to 100) = OP's demand

Work with me here, I'm giving you manga reference as canon for the stat change. When his speed has the suggested increase, he blitzes and easily wins. If he doesn't blitz, he'll likely get caught in KS. Per the OP, though, Prime Raizen should take this.
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
Crimson Eyess said:
I just did a one over of Raizen's profile, his prime form is continent level, so there isn't scaling up or moving up of tiers.As for his power scale, his continent level feat is calced Here, his speed is being scaled from Here. Also there was no real way shown to get out of KS other than not getting trapped in the first place, and with no knowledge he won't know not to look at his sword, or in this case him (Since he doesn't need the sword to trap people in illusions anymore, shown when he messed up Yhwach's perception of time just by him looking at him).
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Raizen's stats here are for Starved Raizen as he is in Three Kings Saga. The OP wants Prime Raizen. I get that you're pointing out his stats on this wikia's profile, but that's not what the OP wants. The reason his stats here are this way is from scaling to other characters in YYHverse when he is significantly weakened. So, there has to be a significant rise in the numbers to give the OP what it's asking for.
-- Starved Raizen = 2 percent of prime power = this wikia's profile stats

-- Prime Raizen = 100 percent of prime power (4,900x increase from 2 to 100) = OP's demand

Work with me here, I'm giving you manga reference as canon for the stat change. When his speed has the suggested increase, he blitzes and easily wins. If he doesn't blitz, he'll likely get caught in KS. Per the OP, though, Prime Raizen should take this.
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...I have no idea what you are talking about. The OP said it's Prime Raizen, so of course he'd be using this wiki's stats of Prime Raizen which are at least Continent + and at least MHS, you can look for yourself Here, look at the key on the bottom of the page, it points out the two Raizen stats Weakened and Prime. Regardless Raizen isn't blitzing him, in fact he is the one getting blitzed.
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
It seems you aren't familiar with my points, possibly for not being familiar with YYH. I don't know how to say it any more clearly than this: THIS IS NOT PRIME RAIZEN. Do with that what you will.
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Is that why in the key it says prime Raizen? And I'm very familiar with YYH it was one of my first anime series, but people kinda overrate their power so it kinda gets annoying.
 
Tell me how a character at 2 percent power is on the same level of the same character at 100 percent power. According to vsbattles classifications, can this even be possible? The key is clearly wrong.
 
It does not matter Aizen still wins.

how Aizen can win

1 soul crush

2 hodo 90

4 shikai

5 if you get to close to Aizen you will die.

Aizen is immortal and he will get stronger for ever. Aizen just been in a chair for 2 years and now his first form is the same level as his old final form.

Aizen can increase his power several times over by transforming repeatedly.
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
Tell me how a character at 2 percent power is on the same level of the same character at 100 percent power. According to vsbattles classifications, can this even be possible? The key is clearly wrong.
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There is quite the power discrepancy between Country & Continent level, so yes it is possible, and the precentage thing was likely factored in to him being continent level, I doubt they would just put him at a random tier
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
Tell me how a character at 2 percent power is on the same level of the same character at 100 percent power. According to vsbattles classifications, can this even be possible? The key is clearly wrong.
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Also I found This, if you would like to see the chart to see the the different energy values of the tiers. Country level starts at 7 Teratons and Continent Level ends at 1 Exaton that is a 3 different energy value jump, so I extremely doubt the key is wrong.
 
Aizen is seal he has like 10% of his power.

so what you see of Aizen is just a sealed one. what do you think will happen when he out of that chair. and that's just his first form.

Chair Aizen 10%

Normal Aizen 100%

Transformed Aizen keep x him many times. Aizen can increase his power several times over by transforming repeatedly

Then his bankai what will make him 10x stronger.
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
To be accurate, Koenma says even one S Class demon can destroy the Earth. The top S Class is thus at least moon level.
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Ok and what feat backs it up? Whitebeard in his prime was said to have the power to destroy the world, but that isn't accepted anywhere because there is no feat to back it up, hell Ishida in the latest chapter of Bleach said Jugo & Yhwach had the power of Omnipotence and no one is gonna buy that as they should because there is no feat to back it, there are plenty of other people with statements like Vali being FTL, Obito being able to destroy Earth, Acnologia being able to destroy countrys so on and so on, and none of them are accepted because they haven't shown it, same goes for here, you can have all the hype in the world, but if you don't show it, why should we believe it.
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
No countries or continents were destroyed in YYH, yet here we are with numbers.
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If they used the method that NF used, which I believe they do, then they are using Sensui's Large Island feat, and multiplying it via the difference in power level between him and High S-Class demons.
 
Slaphappyjoy said:
The same with Narutoverse, no small planets destroyed, yet characters have that level based on looks and speculation.
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Hagoromo created the Moon, and the energy value to create the moon is small planet level on this wiki I would assume, and Sasuke was stated to be stronger than Hagoromo, the rest that are at that level are scaled to him.
 
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