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Shub-Niggurath VS Bernkastel
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The word stomp needs to be writen. The thing breaks all her books and I think makes her go crazy (much more than she is)-
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Shub FRA
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^^^ Shub-Niggurath FTW
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So Shub losing her tier At least 1-A and but she still strongest 1-A character?
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Shub would probably even beat the star maker
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Welp,
Although I vote Shub via True-Godly regen and FRA
Although I vote Shub via True-Godly regen and FRA
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I would like to think that it would be inconclusive but the thing is actually very very very overpowered. I didn't finish the novel (The Star Maker) yet but we are talking about how Shub clears the floor with BernZacharyGrossman273 said:
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Wait... the "at least" is a category for "close to High 1-A"?
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How strong is shub?
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Nyarlathotep vs Hajun was considered as a stomp in favor of Nyarla. So... this one seems like a stomp for me too.
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And Nyarla is considered as inferior to Shub. So... Shub>Nyarlathotep>Hajun
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Hajun is like a non factor in these debates. What are shubs hax. Or her power etc that put her above anyone elseBleedingPeach said:
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Why are we still putting major Lovecraft 1-As in matchups when we know for a fact that they're capable of kicking the rest of the tier into paste?
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Monarch Laciel
If I remember correctly, Bern exists several layers beyond other 1-As, each layer having a dimensional difference.
Nyarlathotep's true self exists beyond other 1-As by the same degree those 1-As exist beyond 3-D humanity.
To make sure you understand just how strong that makes him, "transcending 1-A character X by the same degree they transcend 3-D character Y" has been justification for High 1-A in several cases. And Nyarla is the weakest of the Outer Gods
Edit: Case in point, Featherine is High 1-A for being to witches what witches are to humans. Just substitute the word "Featherine" for "Nyarlathotep" and "witches" for "Great Old Ones" and you'll see my point.
Edited by Monarch Laciel 10:27, January 11, 2018
Well... I don't consider this a wanking. Just one guy/gal saying why she couldn't win. Oh and the thread is this one... a versus like this one with an entity much weaker was already made. So the King has spoken (MrKingofNegativity)
If I remember correctly, Bern exists several layers beyond other 1-As, each layer having a dimensional difference.
Nyarlathotep's true self exists beyond other 1-As by the same degree those 1-As exist beyond 3-D humanity.
To make sure you understand just how strong that makes him, "transcending 1-A character X by the same degree they transcend 3-D character Y" has been justification for High 1-A in several cases. And Nyarla is the weakest of the Outer Gods
Edit: Case in point, Featherine is High 1-A for being to witches what witches are to humans. Just substitute the word "Featherine" for "Nyarlathotep" and "witches" for "Great Old Ones" and you'll see my point.
Edited by Monarch Laciel 10:27, January 11, 2018
Well... I don't consider this a wanking. Just one guy/gal saying why she couldn't win. Oh and the thread is this one... a versus like this one with an entity much weaker was already made. So the King has spoken (MrKingofNegativity)
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Good luck with that. I prefer goals I can actually achieve.Veloxt1r0kore said:
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That quote was labeled incorrect by darklk. And it resulted in a stalemate between bern and nyar. While all LK did was make equal argumentsBleedingPeach said:
Why are you quoting him anyways lol?
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Im interested to know how easily she terns bern into pasteMrKingOfNegativity said:
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Bern stalemated Nyarlathotep, yeah? Well let me kick it to you this way:
Nyarlathotep is the weakest Outer God.
Unless information has somehow changed in my absence (it's happened with a few other things, admittedly), Shub-Niggurath is one of, if not the most powerful of the Outer Gods to appear, by some leaps and bounds.
And if I'm not mistaken, like all of the other Ultimate Gods, she won't die until Azathoth wakes up.
There was also at least one thread where everyone was arguing about whether or not she should be High 1-A. She's really, really far into her tier.
Nyarlathotep is the weakest Outer God.
Unless information has somehow changed in my absence (it's happened with a few other things, admittedly), Shub-Niggurath is one of, if not the most powerful of the Outer Gods to appear, by some leaps and bounds.
And if I'm not mistaken, like all of the other Ultimate Gods, she won't die until Azathoth wakes up.
There was also at least one thread where everyone was arguing about whether or not she should be High 1-A. She's really, really far into her tier.
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Truthfully I think this is inconclusive because to qoute Azzy here
The Outer Gods essentially exist at the "level" of existence where nothing changes, because change isn't real. It's a function of the minds of lesser beings experiencing a lesser reality, but these Outer Gods are not bound by perspective or a sense of being/self.
Their true "forms" cannot exactly "fight" because doing so would simply be a matter of change and perspective, which is something they are beyond.
The Outer Gods essentially exist at the "level" of existence where nothing changes, because change isn't real. It's a function of the minds of lesser beings experiencing a lesser reality, but these Outer Gods are not bound by perspective or a sense of being/self.
Their true "forms" cannot exactly "fight" because doing so would simply be a matter of change and perspective, which is something they are beyond.
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While that is true. However bern wad able to be equal or more powerful to nyar. But as its stated shub is the most powerful 1-A even stronger than nyar. Though i could always argue bern could just reach shubs level with her ability to become as powerful as she wants. Id maybe agree with you on the inconclusive partPhoenix821 said:
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Azzy's explanation was why I said 1-A fights are a strange concept. Shub's unfathomably "stronger", but its also impossible to properly conceive even from an irl human perspective.
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Well... since I'm not that ignorant about Umineko, I say that Bern is actually very very powerful. We could say that her library is filled with "universes" (I don't know if those books are infinite dimensions or outerverses), I could say that she is remarkably above even the standards of "infinity". Her Plot Manipulation is really something to be concerned about. But Shub is literally one of strongest things that make Azathoth "sleep" and we don't know how "clever" it is; since Bern knows exactly how her cosmology works I would say that she is very clever (besides she is very very clever). This would lead to a senseless fight between them and there won't be a clear victor. So... I change my mind... Inconclusive it is for me.
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