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Super Mario Galaxy Statistics

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Some of you are aware of the last time we had a poll for the SMG2 statistics that resulted in major downgrades for the characters(Mario, Luigi, and Bowser) mainly due to the fact the feat involves a universal black hole and due to the lack of knowledge in the series. I was initially against the use of SMG feats but since it was decided to make it a divider, I eventually accept it. Before I continue this topic, let me correct a popular misconception about the levels. The levels featured in both games are indeed galaxies in terms of classification and size. Just look at World 5 in SMG2 featuring a galaxy cluster. You can even see the outskirts of a galaxy within levels such as Battle Belt Galaxy . Not only that, but the game and guides stated this countless. So they are not just a mere level names. To address another misconception about people judging the size of these galaxies due to the restricted areas or level design, just because the player are limited to traverse in areas the game wants them to, doesn't make it the exact size of the location especially on a larger scale when we hardly explored beyond that. That's like saying Earth is the size of a continent because you only explored Asia.


With all that said, we can now get to the main topic. I'm talking about Mario and Luigi in particular who fought Bowser with the Grand Star and Power Stars. Here in this cutscene, Rosalina explained that Lumas can turn into comets, planets, stars, Power Stars and even galaxies. Grand Stars are more powerful than Power Stars and Bowser was creating galaxies with it and the Grand Star also destroyed the universe in SMG1. In SMG2, he powered up with the Grand Star along with mutiple Power Stars along the way while absorbing Rosalina's Comet(along with other celestial matter in the universe). Not only the Mario Bros tanked his attacks, they managed damage him and he was the only one who survived that explosion in SMG1 with no power ups. He was even able to create a universal black hole. And while the durability of tanking black holes can't be used, the AP for creating or controlling one can. Even without the black hole feat, there's still plenty of evidence to scale the power of the Grand Star and Power Stars. These are solid 3-C to 3-A feats here. This should warrant a rating of "At least Galaxy".
 
More like Mario and Luigi be 3-C while Bowser still keeps his 3-A since he was actually destorying the universe.
 
Dino Ranger Black said:
More like Mario and Luigi be 3-C while Bowser still keeps his 3-A since he was actually destorying the universe.
Cool that seems fair since bowser had the power of the grand star. feel free to change it but make sure to lock them back because ppl change them with no reason why.
 
funny I was planning to make a thread about the grand stars

but since you pretty much stated what I was going to, I have no need to do so anymore.

I also agree with what you stated.
 
Are there any staff members that would like to weigh in?
 
So only three people thus far has agreed to this? Okay. Yeah, there definitely needs to be more input on this...
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
So only three people thus far has agreed to this? Okay. Yeah, there definitely needs to be more input on this...
It's actually five but if it's need more responses, you know other people in mind?
 
Well, the rest of the staff would be nice, but I am reluctant to impose on them so soon after the revision project. The thread is highlighted in any case, so if we wait a few days more people may respond.
 
Hmm. I will check tomorrow morning again, but it seems like we can probably do an upgrade soon.
 
I used to think Super Mario Galaxy feats were overrated but this post has convinced me. Sounds good.
 
These are the exact same points addressed last time, there's just more Mario supporters here and I've been avoiding the topic.

1. Yeah, I never denied galaxies existed. I said that each level referred to as a galaxy appears to take place within the same system, and the very evidence you're using (World 5) comes from a game where there are literally several galaxies within a Solar System and several galaxies within a galaxy.

2. Bowser never ever made a galaxy with the Grand Star. He said he was going to make a galaxy with use of his Reactor. He himself never actually creates one.

3. There is nothing to suggest Bowser's physical attacks are galaxy level. The only feats we have for him punching things is him destroying the meteors. You can say those are galaxy level meteors, but that seems to be stretching it IMO since they're made from a metallic core surrounded by magic gold stuff.

4. He does not create a universal black hole. Again, his Reactor does that when it is destroyed. If Bowser was capable of spawning black holes of such size, why didn't he just make one on top of Mario? The fight in Galaxy 2 shows he's capable of standing right next to one, so they obviously don't affect him much.
 
LordXcano said:
These are the exact same points addressed last time, there's just more Mario supporters here and I've been avoiding the topic.
1. Yeah, I never denied galaxies existed. I said that each level referred to as a galaxy appears to take place within the same system, and the very evidence you're using (World 5) comes from a game where there are literally several galaxies within a Solar System and several galaxies within a galaxy.

2. Bowser never ever made a galaxy with the Grand Star. He said he was going to make a galaxy with use of his Reactor. He himself never actually creates one.

3. There is nothing to suggest Bowser's physical attacks are galaxy level. The only feats we have for him punching things is him destroying the meteors. You can say those are galaxy level meteors, but that seems to be stretching it IMO since they're made from a metallic core surrounded by magic gold stuff.

4. He does not create a universal black hole. Again, his Reactor does that when it is destroyed. If Bowser was capable of spawning black holes of such size, why didn't he just make one on top of Mario? The fight in Galaxy 2 shows he's capable of standing right next to one, so they obviously don't affect him much.
Then you are better off avoiding what you don't know in the first place. There you go again making the same mistakes while complaining about points I never even made. I hate to be rude but I'm really tired of your lack of knowledge of the verse because they are just as valid as your typical "He didn't *insert feat here* = he can't do it/not in this level". Several characters would have been nerf with your poor logic such as Cell and DBS Freiza. Read my posts again about the galaxies and how to actually scale the locations. Rosalina already confirmed Lumas can turn into galaxies ( also counting the ones in World 5 background) which also can turn into Power Stars. Just drop it, you lost at this part of the arguement and the fact you are fabricating it every time makes it sad. Grand Stars are more powerful and Bowser was going to create galaxies with them in SMG1. If Power Stars can turn into galaxies, it's common sense of powerscaling that Grand Stars are above that level when even the game guide said Bowser was going to and not a hyperbole. He didn't because Mario stopped him, not that he couldn't. Another poor logic on your part. And the Grand Star did cause the destruction of the universe because it was powering the reactor in the first place. This is the same power Bowser has in SMG2 with mutiple Powers Stars to boot. We have loads of feats for the Grand Stars, Lumas, and Rosalina and you are the only one who still doesn't understand it. Stop being defiant because the items and characters are stronger than you thought.
 
Well, LordXcano does have a point about the whole possible "glass cannon" issue. Just because the grand stars could create galaxies it may not automatically make Bowser, and per extension Mario and Luigi, Galaxy level physically.

In addition, I played the (great) SMG games long ago, and Mario certainly never displayed any remotely galaxy-level punching power when fighting enemies. I may misremember though. Maybe he used a massive power-up when fighting Bowser?
 
Antvasima said:
Well, LordXcano does have a point about the whole possible "glass cannon" issue. Just because the grand stars could create galaxies it may not automatically make Bowser, and per extension Mario and Luigi, Galaxy level physically.
In addition, I played the (great) SMG games long ago, and Mario certainly never displayed any remotely galaxy-level punching power when fighting enemies. I may misremember though. Maybe he used a massive power-up when fighting Bowser?
No, he didn't because it would result in major downgrades with that poor logic of his. It's like saying Freiza desn't have planet busting punches in the DBZ saga. First, how does that even result in Mario and Luigi being downgraded from THEIR durability if it only makes Bowser's durability questionable? Second, while Rosalina protected Mario and Peach, Bowser was left behind during the whole supernova in SMG1 in base form stated by the guide itself that Bowser narrowly survived. With the Grand Star, he is obviously stronger as he even overpowered Rosalina's comet and his punches are enhanced with energy from the Grand Star, something he never shown in his base form. Unquantifable or not, he survived the same black holes in both games and you guys have no questions Luminie for having similar ratings . There's nothing questionable about his durability or AP. None of this makes sense. All this solid evidence with serveral characters getting upgrades for similar reasons and yet it's just due to doubt and/or lack of knowledge is why the Grand Star is being downplayed for reasons that has no conflict to begin with. I'm getting sick of it. There's no massive power-up in the climax what so ever.
 
I just mean that if Mario could defeat a galaxy level Bowser without power-ups, how could regular goombas and the like kill him during the regular game itself? Game Mechanics I suppose, but it still seems extreme.
 
That's not really a good argument since many vg character face the same logic. Link can be killed by Deku Nuts, yet he's Star Level. Megaman incarnations can all be killed by Mettaurs, yet they are Planet to Universal Level and don't even get me started on Kirby. Besides, I thought that's why the divider exists....

This isn't even the last time Mario beat an amped Bowser with no upgrade of his own. Dreamy Bowser and Megasparkle Bowser says hi.
 
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