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The SGDL and Higher Dimensional Abilities

Dragonmasterxyz

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So remember the SGDL blogs from like 2017? Welp, time to resurface them again seeing as Higher Dimensional Abilities are no longer restricted.

Why does this matter?

Glad you asked, this is because, the SGDL have quite a lot of abilities that revolve around their higher dimensionality overall. This of course only applies to the Avatars.

Reference
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...chise:_Explaining_the_Seven_Great_Demon_Lords

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Executor_N0/Digimon_Franchise:_Lucemon_Respect_Thread

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...se:_Dark_Area_and_the_Seven_Great_Demon_Lords

The Sins and Immortality
So as we know, the SGDL all embody a sin, are their sins and can return due to said sins. Well, for the avatars, this would mean that they are brought back via the sins their True Forms embody as they are multiversal constants. Based upon this,

Beelzemon, Lilithmon, Daemon, Leviamon, Belphemon and Barbamon all have Immortality based upon their True Forms and as such, High 2-A Immortality.

Lucemon has Immortality based upon his True Form as well, making his Low 1-C Immortality.

That's not all. We also have the fact that due to their sins, they are able to inflect those they fight with their sins and as such use them as vessels or turn them into new avatars as shown in Savers: Another Mission.

This gives the SGDL's Sin based powers all a boost in a similar way as their Immortality.

Karma
This is a very simple one. When HD hax was restricted, this ability was not even really considered as it came directly from the True Demon Lords and...well...we know how that wouldn't fly. Basically Karma can really range from anything, but basically you just...disappear as shown with Dianamon. To negate Karma, an outside source has to defeat another set of SGDL to save you. And even then, they themselves will be subject to Karma. Even so much as facing a member of the SGDL is considered a sin and subject to Karma.

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Of course killing a member of the SGDL in one world grants them strength in every other world.

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TL;DR
All SGDL sans Lucemon gain High 2-A Immortality, Karma and Sin haxes. (Conceptual haxes).

Lucemon gains Low 1-C Immortality, Karma, Erasure and Sin (Pride) haxes.

What happens to their ability to negate Resurrection and Rebirth? That should scale, but I am not sure how that would work.

That's all I believe.
 
Digimon cares not for logic. Ovo

Although, it's more of a punishment for killing something very essential to the Digimon Cosmology.
 
Isn't the immortality of the avatars only based on the concept that they embody? It doesn't come from their true form, unless I missed something.

In CS it's explained that when you kill a SGDL avatar, all the other avatars grow stronger, not that the dead avatar is resurrected.

Also i'm not sure if the DA scales from the power of True Lucemon. The DA is a part of him, not the opposite
 
The SGDL are the concepts they embody as well. They are all constants of the cosmology, the Avatars embody said concepts, which are the same as the True SGDL. The Avatars are simply their power divided infinitely across the Digimon Multiverse.

This was shown Savers: Another Mission and Digimon World: DS iirc. I will wait for Ex on that part, I may be wrong. I may be confusing that with Vode Key Immortality.

But I highly doubt that the Dark Area is also 2-Dimensional levels weaker than the real deal. Of course it is spread infinitely like his Avatars.
 
Makes sense.

Ok, let's wait for Ex.

But it would be weird for 2-A/High 2-A Lucemon to embody a Low 1-C thing. If he did, he would scale and be Low 1-C, but that would be inconsistent inb4 2-A everyone becomes Low 1-C everyone
 
It is more that they have the scale of the power and not the actual Low 1-C tiering. It's less entering the Dark Area is facing Low 1-C erasure and more when Lucemon channels his specific powers over it.

Also, I may be thinking about when they use the Code Keys to control and posses others and such. But I may still be wrong. These guys have immortality based upon everything nowadays.
 
What have I unleashed with my higher D immortality thread...

Oh well. I guess being able to beat Digimon is overrated anyway.
 
I should note that this is more of a discussion seeing as all these powers are on the files already. It is just that this stuff has been an important subject recently. (And as such has forced me to think about Higher Dimensional Digimon abilities when I never had to and so I am likely to get many things wrong)
 
On CS, an SGDL will appear again in the place where the other was defeated. In Digimon Story the protagonist kills 6 of the SGDL, and when it faces the seventh it discovers that all the others have returned. When the protagonist kills Belphemon, he says that as long as there is evil, they will always return. And immediately after that Beelzebumon, who had been killed, returns to ally himself with the protagonist. This is repeated in Savers Another Mission where all the SGDL came back to life and shared their powers with the protagonists.

In fact, this happens in Cyber Sleuth. In Decode it is known that Demon abosrveu Barbamon and the powers of Rina, because of this V.V had lost the powers of Ulforce V-Dramon. Then in CS we see Barbamon having returned to life (He was killed by Lucemon when he ended up killing Demon, who had absorbed Barbamon) with the powers of Ulforce V-Dramon. And after killing Barbamon, he claims he would return.

Just one more thing, one detail. Karma is something that is accomplished even by not killing a Great Demon Lord. Ofanimon in the great wars ended up sealing a Demon Lord, and yet she received Karma and had her soul cursed.

Also I would like to ask if it would be possible to put resistance to Karma (Curse) for the Great Demon Lords. Because when one Great Demon Lord kills another, he can resist Karma. Only one Great Demon Lord can actually kill another Great Demon Lord, so Taiga and Rina had to borrow the power of other Great Demon Lords to defeat Barbamon.

Well, at least that's what I have to say for now. But I do not know if I understood what I should do. Any explanation for this?
 
Is it sad that I am more interested in what "donations" Ophanimon had to collect than this?
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
Is it sad that I am more interested in what "donations" Ophanimon had to collect than this?
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Donation of money, which would symbolize the goodness of those who passed by the Church.
 
Anyway Ex, we are talking about how muvh of the SGDL's Immortality and powers share the exact same potency as the true form. Like 2-A Lucenon being able to have Low 1-C erasure based off his power over the Dark Area or something. We are trying to see what abilities the SGDL are higher dimensional.
 
Because it isn't really a revision, but a discussion on the potency of abilities already on the file.
 
I agree with most of this. But something being an avatar of a 6-D being wouldn't give it 6-D erasure.


But otherwise, this seems completely fine.
 
But....you disagreed a moment ago. Like Low 1-C erasure can go. Power of the Sins and Karma on the otherhand is what I was defending.
 
Not to mention Low 1-C erasure brings up scaling issues. Basically saying Susanoomon could regen from 6-D Erasure which despite being the God of Regen is extrapolation.
 
I...Don't see how it is?

God of Regenerationn means means he's bound to have some damn good Regenerationn, especially in a verse that has people with High Godly

I geniuenelybthink it makes sense to have it
 
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