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OPM AP Revision discussion Part 2

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Contuination of the previous thread here. The general ideas are summed up here

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At least Wall Level: All A-Class currently scaled to 7-B that don't explictly scale to Genos, Suprise Attack Plum, Jumping Spider, Scaledo, Withered Sprout

Other: Hundred-Eyes Octopus (At least Building/Large Building), 170,000 Year Magicicada Nymph (At least Building/Large Building), Hammerhead (someone would need to calc either his rock throw or his smash against Sonic), Bofoy (would need to calculate his missiles to get a tier)

Small Town Level: Genos , Prisoner , Tanktop Master , Deep Sea King , Blizzard , Demonic Fa, Grizzly Nyah, Do-S, Royal Ripper, G4, Beast King, Awakened Cockroach, Sonic, Mosquito Girl, Zombiema,

Town Level: Vaccnie Ma

At least Town Level: Carnage Kabuto (base), All the Dragons currently rated as "At least 7-B", all S-Class heroes currently rated as "At least 7-B" that haven't been mentioned, Watchdog Ma , Garou

Large Town Level: Beefcake , Silverfang , Suiryu, Choze (monster), Metal Bat (pumped up), Darkshine , Carnage Kabuto (carnage Mode), Bakuzan (monster), Homless Emperor, Half-Monster Garou, Flashy Flash , Elder Centipede , Overgrown Rover , Bomb , Psykos , both BS an GS , Orochi , Sweet Mask

And here

Speed will have to be downgraded as well. As talked about here we've been using the wrong calc for the bullet's speed .

High Hiypersonic: Everyone who doesn't scale to Atomic Samurai (for example, Genos or Sonic).

MHS+: Everyone who does scale to Atomic Samurai (for example, Kuroi Seishi).
 
By the way not sure if that upgrade/downgrade Suiryu's feat but i just noticed that in this panel you can see the thickness of the clouds cause from Choze's energy attack,someone want try to recalc this? here color page if that more help to see it
 
Why does some of the Dragon level monsters(Carnage Kabuto and Vaccnie Man) aren't Large Town Level due to scaling from Suiryu/Choze (since they are far weaker than them) exactly?
 
also Genos and the other S class should scale from him,notting suggest they are weaker than Suiryu,Suiryu was exciting from the idea of fightning human Garou
 
Would fubuki scale to people like Genos, or differently?

Why would bofoy be 9-B?
 
Suiryu has no idea how strong Garou actually is.
 
Even so,there still is no reason for Suiryu to be so far superior to the S Class
 
And every Dragon level(Carnage Kabuto and Vaccnie Man) should be Large Town level at least
 
Also even if Genos not scale to Suiryu (and we ignore the fact that this doesnt make any sense) he definitely not only Small Town level

He got a lot of upgrades and every upgrade give him huge PU every time,for example after G4 upgrade he go from being equal to Deep Sea King's first form more or less to be able to two shot DSK's second form,and in his Post Gouketsu form he got massive far stronger

He should be at least Town level,considering that the gap between town and small town level is just X5.8
 
Would could add more keys to Genos.

> Large Town Level due to scaling from Suiryu/Choze (since they are far weaker than them) exactly?

Because nothing links them to Choze or Suiryu
 
> Why would bofoy be 9-B?

He's not. For some reason the "Other" section wasn't split from Wall level when I pasted the stuff.
 
Wokistan said:
Would fubuki scale to people like Genos, or differently?
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Fubuki scales to Genos, unless the manga retcons the Overgrown Rover fight.

Few things to add to the OP @Qawsed: We agreed that samurai's disciples scale to Fubuki, and that Garou (+ Watchdog Man) should be Large Town level.

Also this:

GyroNutz said:
Quick abilities list:
Crabrante: Enhanced Senses (his eyes have a wide field of view)

Mosquito Girl: Animal Manipulation (Controls all mosquitos in 50km), Body Control (Can shorten or extend her horn)

Kabuto: Resistance to Heat Manipulation (His carapace allows him to resist heat)

Melzalgard: Multiple Personalities

Groribas: He likes to slowly kill the enemy (Weakness)

Giant Crow: Poison Manipulation + Absorption (When we make his profile)

Fan Demon: Makes it impossible to breathe due to his strong currents

The only thing relevant to this thread however is something in the comments, which says that Sonic's speed during his ten-shadow burial was described as 'Massively Hypersonic'.
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Qawsedf234 said:
Would could add more keys to Genos.
> Large Town Level due to scaling from Suiryu/Choze (since they are far weaker than them) exactly?

Because nothing links them to Choze or Suiryu
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Suiryu and Choze are just around Demon level,Gouketsu called Bazukan a tremendous success and instantly states that he is Dragon level tier,meanwhile he only see Choze as "okay "

Carnage Kabuto and Vaccnie Man definitely should be large Town level as Dragon level monster
 
Base Carnage Kabuto has no large Town level feats, aside from shitstomping post-G4 Genos. Town level is fine imo
 
GyroNutz said:
I thought Orochi was monsterified the same way Garou's gonna be monsterified
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This is from the old thread's last comment.

She says that he increased in power the same way Garou did, not that he became a monster the same way.
 
Wasn't Psykos talking about pushing yourself near-death right before she talked about Orochi? Also I'm pretty sure Orochi makes monster cells. How would Psykos have gotten monster cells otherwise
 
She said that he was the person to successfully grow in power after taking a monster cell, which he did so by going through near-death experiences. Simple, they still exist before he became a monster, and he just produces them.
 
"Orochi used to be a man who turned his back on humanity.[9] Psykos eventually met him and turned him into a monster through a special "growth" stimulating process by putting him through many near death experiences. Orochi became Psykos's greatest success after many failures and sacrifices occurring.[10] "

From the OPM wiki
 
I don't remember anything about him taking a monster cell
 
It doesn't say he took monster cells. In fact, the panels before the last one you sent show Orochi as a human immediately before he transforms. Also, she likens Garou's transformation to Orochi's.

But I digress. I don't believe this is too relevant to the current discussion
 
It is because we are talking about monster cell mosters getting longevity from the previous thread.

How much more obvious can it get, she literally says he's the only success out of the other monsters who took monster cells and went through near-death experiences to increase. That only goes to prove what the wiki says, not what the actual manga says, which doesn't even matter regardless because he has to be human before taking a monster cell. Garou was already part monster.
 
The method that Orochi used to become a monster =/= the method that others used to become a monster, especially when Orochi was shown as a human immediately before becoming a monster AND that his process is likened to Garou's.

No, it was never said that Orochi took monster cells. You believe it was implied, I believe there's more than enough evidence to say there's nothing of the sort.

Again, we're talking about AP stats rn, which I believe is more important.
 
No, they say he's the only success out of the monsters who took moster cells, there's far more evidence to support what I say than this head canon. Debunked that, and debunked that.

Fine, whatever. I'm not even going to bother anymore, this is becoming extremely circular.
 
...ok

On topic, are there any AP feats that A-Classes can scale to? I feel like it'd be downplay to scale them to Saitama as a child and some fodder martial artist.
 
Well, Hammerhead did have a B-Class bounty, at least in the anime, and he's definitley superior his lackey that created a Multi-City Block level shockwave. Sea King's wolf level monsters could make tidal waves just by moving, who were easily killed by a top 10 A-Class, yet could still harm him. And another Tiger level knocks down buildings.

I'd easily say Building level to Small Town level for all of the A-Classes.

Edit: Another Tiger level could easily dig a large hole concrete, same with this one.
 
Also, that Light pull chord guy says Buildings aren't enough for him. It did take many punches to destroy a car, but this can obviously be seen as an outlier since he punches Saitama through a truck.
 
So at least Large Building level for the A-Class scaling from three eyed ghost?

I'm pretty sure the skyscraper feat is no longer accepted here tho
 
I guess.

Do you mean the small town level from Aiden's calculation? Because this is just the shockwave they produced making the building collapse, not fragmenting it.
 
Oh, the shockwave feat is fine once it gets accepted. Multi-City block level for A-Class sounds fair.
 
@ByAsura The Seafolk range from Wolf to Tiger, only the messenger is explicitly stated to be Wolf. The ones that invaded are likely Tiger individually, not Wolf.
 
Ok, makes sense, and is still very consistent.
 
Okay since I didn't include the updates

At least Wall Level: All A-Class currently scaled to 7-B that don't explictly scale to Genos or someone with a better rating, Suprise Attack Plum, Jumping Spider, Scaledo, Withered Sprout

Other levels: Hundred-Eyes Octopus (At least Building/Large Building), 170,000 Year Magicicada Nymph (At least Building/Large Building), Hammerhead (Multi-City Block), Bofoy (would need to calculate his missiles to get a tier), Sea Folk (Could hold up a large truck with one hand and were the size of a small building)

Small Town Level: Genos (early), Prisoner, Deep Sea King (Dry and Wet), Blizzard (Possibly higher), Demonic Fa (Possibly higher), Grizzly Nyah, Do-S (Possibly higher), Royal Ripper (Possibly higher), G4, Beast King, Mosquito Girl (Could actually be lower since Genos's Low 7-C feat was preformed much later), Zombiema, Sonic (Pre-Chapter 43)

Town Level: Vaccnie Ma, Genos (Post-G4), Sonic (Post-Chapter 43), Blizzard and people who scale to her (she could block a attack that would've killed Post-G4 Genos but that may change), Awakened Cockroach, Heavily Damaged Garou, Tanktop Master, Royal Ripper (could stab Garou, but considering it uses blades which focuses power in a smaller surface area it may not necessarily need as much AP to damage him).

At least Town Level: Carnage Kabuto (base), All the Dragons currently rated as "At least 7-B", all S-Class heroes currently rated as "At least 7-B" that haven't been mentioned

Large Town Level: Beefcake, Silverfang, Suiryu, Choze (monster), Metal Bat (pumped up), Darkshine, Carnage Kabuto (Carnage Mode), Bakuzan (monster), Homless Emperor (AP only since he could kill himself with the energy balls), Flashy Flash, Elder Centipede, Overgrown Rover, Bomb, Psykos, both BS an GS (may need a Small 7-B rating), Orochi (may need a Small 7-B rating), Sweet Mask, Watchdog Ma, Garou


Genos Scaling: Genos's Small Town level feat happened in Chapter 17 of the manga. This is the scale from that to G4 Genos to my knowledge: Genos (Saitama fight parts) -> Genos (Meteor Parts) -> The Deep Sea King (Base and Rain) -> Genos (Alien Attack Parts) -> Genos vs G4 (Genos was heavily damage but managed to win) -> Post G4 Genos (In a simulation casually killed DSK in two attacks when he was hydrated)

Genos's Low 7-C feat is 7.40568 x 10^12 joules and the gap between that and baseline 7-C is a difference of 3.2768x. So everyone who has fought Genos after his G4 parts should likely be 7-C. For example Tanktop Master would be 7-C since Garou said he was slightly stronger to a even more upgraded post-G4 Genos


Dragon Scaling: Since this is important should Dragon scale to be "At least Town Level" unless they're confirmed to scale to Silverfang or should they be "Large Town Level" through the assumption that they're above Choze. Personally I think the former is better but a lot of people have voiced their opinons that it should be the latter


Speed: Is everyone fine with the propsed speed downgrades for those who don't scale to Atomic Samurai in some fashion?
 
> The only thing relevant to this thread however is something in the comments, which says that Sonic's speed during his ten-shadow burial was described as 'Massively Hypersonic'.

As a reminder the scientific version of Massively Hypersonic Ôëá VsBattles version. Massively Hypersonic would mean like mach 5-24+ or something like that. Plus even then it may be a wrong translation. Here's the page and the kanji for ultrasonic are present.
 
I can't really see anything wrong, with the possible exception some of the other levels ones.

Also, the part where he calls him equal to Tank Top Master is after an upgrade against Gouketsu, which was after the G4 upgrade.
 
Choze's rank is unknown though. He could be Dragon level.
 
That's why I was asking about the Dragon Ratings. Or would "At least Town level, Likely Large Town level" be better in this case.
 
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