Would Luffy die after being hit by Mugino's Melt downer?

Aurasuke

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• Jan 5, 2016

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Sometimes, I think that the durability scale is a bit off, for example if Luffy was able to survive a mountain level attack, assuming he did not move, would he be killed instantneously if he got hit by Mugino's Meltdowner?

The temperature of it would probably be close to the temperature of plasma possibly higher as it kind of negates durability in a way (controls electrons, and shoots them).

Even though Mugino is only tier 8 and Luffy is tier high 7, wouldn't he still be killed by an attack that has been shown to only vaporize at a city block level solely because of it's nature?

Oh, for those who don't know Meltdowner isn't the same as streaming electricity, it literally shoots a beam of it that can vaporize pretty all matter regardless or not if it can conduct electricity.

The only things meldowner didn't work against were accelerator due to his reflection and vector manipulation, and Kakine due to his dark matter angel wings as well as Misaka who could directly control electricity and thus deflect meldowner.

 

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Doesn't Meldowner fire electron lasers that ignore conventional durability?

 

LordAizenSama

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^basically

 

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Vaporizing a city block is much higher than just city block, anyway. The energy required to reduce something to such a state is far more than the energy required to just smash it to tiny pieces.

 

Senkoro

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Are we actually applying physics to one piece? That went out the window as soon as someone became fire.

 

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Senkoro said:

Are we actually applying physics to one piece? That went out the window as soon as someone became fire.

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I thought we were discussing whether or not Mugino's electron lasers would facemelt Luffy.

 

Senkoro

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so is what Azathoth the Abyssal idiot implying that luffy's face has a higher heat capacity than a mountain that is like a million times more massive than he is, simply because he can withstand blunt force to his face that is equal to the mountain despite being simply rubber?

The way I see it fiction just breaks physics altogether, with faster than light speed, which makes no sense because it breaks general relativity. If someone can travel faster than light they can go back in time. but they don't they just travel really fast, they don't even have inifnite energy required to travel faster than light according to the relativity mass equation.

 

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Azathoth was talking about vaporizing a city-block (leaving nothing but ashes) being stronger than simply destroying the city-block (smashing it into chunks of rock).

I don't know where all the lightspeed and heat capacity you are talking about there.

 

Senkoro

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well if we're using energy here, when you heat up a single cup of water it takes less energy than heating up a bathtub of water simply because it has greater mass.

on the other hand, heating up a cup of copper is easier due to copper having a higher specific heat capacity and thus requires less energy.

q=mct where q is energy in joules, m is mass in kilograms, c is specific heat capacity and t is energy.

if we use physics, we are saying that meldowner with it's extremely high temperatures of probably upwards of a million degrees will not melt luffy's head because his rubber head has a c value that will compensate for his 10 kilogram head at max, to absorb the same energy as a massive mountain.

 

Senkoro

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Oh, so basically he's saying it would kill luffy then? I must have misread then.

 

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Not one for calculations so with all that said, would Luffy's mountain-level durability be able to not be facemelted by Mugino's (likely) city-block level subatomic lasers?

I see it as a successful facemelt given that I see lasers that destroy matter on a subatomic level would break the very bonds of the molecules, thus ignoring conventional durability, but what of your opinion?

 

Senkoro

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I read toaru and one piece, I say that luffy wouldn't survive unless he dodges, he probably will dodge and he could probably beat Mugino easily (misaka probably as well unless you include her level 6 form which can easily vaporize an entire city). He would probably lose to Kakine and accelerator in any form (unless he somehow can do calculations complex enough and know exactly how to counter accelerator's vecotor shield by pulling back his arm at a timed interval to reverse which made nearly no sense considering and is probably PIS)

 

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Another person for successful facemelt then. We know full well that Mugino would lose in a fight but your verdict to the thread is Meltdowner downs Luffy hard. So, yeah. Thread is pretty much one-sided in favor of facemelt.

I agree with the pulling back thing being pis though. Considering Accel's shields is fast enough to deflect rifle bullets easily.

 

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yeah, the explanation was that by pulling back his hand he reverse velocity or something and thus just before touching accelerator his hand goes into another direction thus making him vulnerable. To be honest it made no sense considering how accelerator could control wind which probably was like a billion times harder to do than deflecting a solid hand.

 

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yeah about the punch thing, apparently kihara amata programmed a machine in his brain to do it, and it required microscopic timing to pull off the punch successfully without breaking his arm. although it still seems like PIS, especially coupled with the CIS Accelerator was showing off during that fight (ground stomp, hello? you only used it for your entire life and nothing else!!)

 

Aurasuke

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Lol, in other words the conclusion is that luffy can be killed by meldowner