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Wobbufet fights fricking Jerry
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The hilarity of this is that Wobbuffet is known as the Patient Pokemon, and that's a good segwey into me saying that this match is definitely Inconclusive.
Jerry doesn't attack, he just complains and makes everyone uncomfortable. However, Wobbuffet is actually the exact kind of Pokemon to be able to not be bothered by Jerry. They would just stand there, Jerry not attacking and Wobbuffet not attacking due to his attack style being solely reliant on others attacking it, and stay there for a good long time.
Winner: Inconclusive
Jerry doesn't attack, he just complains and makes everyone uncomfortable. However, Wobbuffet is actually the exact kind of Pokemon to be able to not be bothered by Jerry. They would just stand there, Jerry not attacking and Wobbuffet not attacking due to his attack style being solely reliant on others attacking it, and stay there for a good long time.
Winner: Inconclusive
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Incon for Starter Pack's reasoning. Neither will attack the other.
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Doesn't he like... stare at you while you slowly kill him?
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It isn't really in Jerry's nature to fight. His literal purpose is to stand there, complain, and make people feel uncomfortable. I don't really see anything Wobbuffet could do to trigger Jerry into lashing out.GyroNutz said:
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They are in-character...
If he doesn't attack youwhile slowly dying, I don't see how he would attack you otherwise
If he doesn't attack youwhile slowly dying, I don't see how he would attack you otherwise
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Even if Jerry went ahead and tried to attack Wobbuffet, the Psychic type has Large Island level Durability (It says Island level, but that should be upgraded soon), so Jerry is not taking it down any time soon. And, in fact, he would take the damage thanks to Counter/Mirror Coat, so Jerry would eventually lose.
But, again, that seems out of character for Jerry to just decide to attack with no kind of provocation.
But, again, that seems out of character for Jerry to just decide to attack with no kind of provocation.
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Fine then. I'll switch my vote to Wobbuffet then, because there's absolutely no way Jerry is killing him, and Wobbuffet will just reflect any attacks Jerry tries back at him at double power.
Also, Ricsi, unless this is what we truly want, you should specify that they're completely in-character in the OP.
Also, Ricsi, unless this is what we truly want, you should specify that they're completely in-character in the OP.
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Also, I guess the reason you never questioned Balloon Boy vs. Jerry was because I did specify it in the OP, right Gyro?
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Wobbufett fra.
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Whoops. Sorry, I thought you voted in that one, lol.
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That is not how willing to kill works like.
They still do what they do in-character, but don't have moral problems and don't hold back.
Which is why Thunder McQueen still tries to kill himself. It's simple really, Willing=/=wanting.
Jerry only ever tries to annoy people, and as he isn't that idiotic, wouldn't keep attacking while it's attacks are being reflected.
They still do what they do in-character, but don't have moral problems and don't hold back.
Which is why Thunder McQueen still tries to kill himself. It's simple really, Willing=/=wanting.
Jerry only ever tries to annoy people, and as he isn't that idiotic, wouldn't keep attacking while it's attacks are being reflected.
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But...Thunder's main form of offense is killing himself, because that's how Highway to Hell activates.
Ricsi, just change the OP saying that both are in-character. People will keep arguing against it otherwise.
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It is though. It's why every pacifist on this site tries to kill their opponent instead of standing there, being peaceful.
I'm pretty sure most McQueen threads have McQueen in-character, or bloodlusted for his own blood etc.
Doesn't matter, as if he hits Wobbuffet even once, Wobbuffet can encore him.
I'm pretty sure most McQueen threads have McQueen in-character, or bloodlusted for his own blood etc.
Doesn't matter, as if he hits Wobbuffet even once, Wobbuffet can encore him.
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When I read the title, I expected this to be Jerry Mouse.
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But this is not because he doesn't want to fight, it's because he's annoiying the enemy. There is a reason why sadism is a weakness you know?GyroNutz said:
No, most don't. He does that in-character, and so he does that. Same with monika, she starts with erasing herself, so she does that.
Pretty sure Encore would run out before he can kill himself, he's only way to attack is a punch or a slap
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Uh no, Jerry complaining isn't his 'fighting style'. He complains in absence of actually fighting. Sadism is a weakness because they're sadistic while fighting.Ricsi-viragosi said:
Then the McQueen threads that don't do that are wrong. Willingness to kill is a condition literally just to prevent scenarios like this.
Ok, encore runs out. Then Wobbuffet does it again. Also Jerry attacks the soul which Wobbuffet is weak to.
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No.
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Because I'm way too lazy to read the entire thread to know what I'm FRAing.
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Uh no, Jerry complaining isn't his 'fighting style'. He complains in absence of actually fighting. Sadism is a weakness because they're sadistic while fighting.
That is wrong. That's what he does during fighting. Suicide isn't a fighting style, taunting your oppenents is't fighting, being careless, shy or such things isn't fighting, having haemophobia isn't fighting.
All of those still stay.
He isn't not attacking because he doesn't want to harm you, he does it because he is an annoying little asshole.
Then the McQueen threads that don't do that are wrong. Willingness to kill is a condition literally just to prevent scenarios like this
Did you miss the Willing=/=Wanting?
Ok, encore runs out. Then Wobbuffet does it again. Also Jerry attacks the soul which Wobbuffet is weak to.
No, he doesn't. He has no way to attack the soul. And no, encore would make him keep complaining as its what he would do. (and encore does force people to do things like being annoying over and over too.)
That is wrong. That's what he does during fighting. Suicide isn't a fighting style, taunting your oppenents is't fighting, being careless, shy or such things isn't fighting, having haemophobia isn't fighting.
All of those still stay.
He isn't not attacking because he doesn't want to harm you, he does it because he is an annoying little asshole.
Then the McQueen threads that don't do that are wrong. Willingness to kill is a condition literally just to prevent scenarios like this
Did you miss the Willing=/=Wanting?
Ok, encore runs out. Then Wobbuffet does it again. Also Jerry attacks the soul which Wobbuffet is weak to.
No, he doesn't. He has no way to attack the soul. And no, encore would make him keep complaining as its what he would do. (and encore does force people to do things like being annoying over and over too.)
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Plus, all of it's abilities need for it to be actualy damaged.
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It's not wrong. He doesn't fight in-game, he complains. There's absolutely nothing to suggest he'd sit there and complain if he was actually willing to kill. Stop using McQueen as a comparison because it's not and I've explained why it's not, and stop ignoring the fact that pacifism and not wanting to fight in general is nulled by SBA, as shown by every thread where it's happened. Jerry is no exception. Yes there's in-character traits that may hinder someone in combat, like being sadistic, but straight up not fighting is clearly not a comparison point to this. I agree that he's an annoying asshole tho.Ricsi-viragosi said:
No I didn't. But that's irrelevant, because by SBA both opponents will try to kill each other. This is vs-battles wiki for god's sake, not vs-talk-it-out-over-a-cup-of-coffee wiki.
All monsters attack the soul, you'd have to prove that Jerry is the exception. So again, it's unreasonable to say that Jerry will sit there and complain for the full extent of the battle when he's willing to kill. If you wanted an inconclusive match it's not happening under these conditions.
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Are you trying to say he isn't willing to kill? That he's a pacifist?
The guy who amps your enemies so that they can kill you?
That doesn't counter the point at all. He doesn't want to kill his enemy, he simply won't spaae them if he has to decide. He won't fight completly differently just because of that.
No, again. Monsters need to specificly attack you with magical attacks for that to happen, and he has no such abilities. Make a CRT to give them to him if you want him to be able to,
Also, again:
1. He isn't strong enough to harm Wobbufet, supereffective or not,
2. He can tank his own attacks with zero damage.
3. He's not capable of properly fighting at all, and would run out of stamina before actualy hurting himself or wobbufet
The guy who amps your enemies so that they can kill you?
That doesn't counter the point at all. He doesn't want to kill his enemy, he simply won't spaae them if he has to decide. He won't fight completly differently just because of that.
No, again. Monsters need to specificly attack you with magical attacks for that to happen, and he has no such abilities. Make a CRT to give them to him if you want him to be able to,
Also, again:
1. He isn't strong enough to harm Wobbufet, supereffective or not,
2. He can tank his own attacks with zero damage.
3. He's not capable of properly fighting at all, and would run out of stamina before actualy hurting himself or wobbufet
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I'm like 99% sure he doesn't intentionally do it to kill you; he does it because he's an annoying shit. And I'm not saying he's a pacifist, I'm saying that when you fight him he's not willing nor wanting to kill you.Ricsi-viragosi said:
I'm confirming with admins that what I said is the case; that someone who is not willing to fight normally will try and kill under SBA.
Meet Froggit. He's the first and one of the weakest enemies in the game. His attacks? He attacks you with flies bumping into you, and presumably his own body (a frog) jumping into you. Clearly no magic involved there, but it attacks your soul. You'd have to prove that Jerry is the exception.
1. Since when did soul attacks follow conventional durability?
2. Since when did soul attacks follow conventional durability?
3. Since when did soul attacks follow conventional durability? (also if Jerry passed out from exhaustion then Wobbuffet would win by incap)
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The point is that it's not tha the isn't willing, it's that he just prefers to be annoying instead.
No magic involved? You realize his own page says it's magic right?
1. Since when pokemon capable of attacking souls exist. Also, Jerry resists it when reflected.
2. Since when pokemon capable of attacking souls exist. Also, Jerry resists it when reflected.
3. Since when pokemon capable of attacking souls exists. Also, Jerry resist it when reflected. (No, because getting too tried to slap the enemy doesn't make you pass out.)
No magic involved? You realize his own page says it's magic right?
1. Since when pokemon capable of attacking souls exist. Also, Jerry resists it when reflected.
2. Since when pokemon capable of attacking souls exist. Also, Jerry resists it when reflected.
3. Since when pokemon capable of attacking souls exists. Also, Jerry resist it when reflected. (No, because getting too tried to slap the enemy doesn't make you pass out.)
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So he's being annoying instead of being willing to kill you? Shown also when he doesn't even try to attack you when you kill him? ok.Ricsi-viragosi said:
Jerry's profile says magic too, I don't see your point.
1, 2 and 3: No on all fronts. Pokemon don't have a resistance to attacks directly to the soul (otherwise it'd be on their profile), Jerry resisting wouldn't work as he doesn't resist psychic nor damage reflection (and if you're saying he resists because of his resistance to soul attacks that's completely wrong) and you're forgetting that Wobbuffet has encore. Being forced to actively fight Wobbuffet when you're past the point of exhaustion will make you pass out, if Jerry has that low stamina.
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Yeah. You know, like how monika will keep erasing herself no matter what.
Yeah, his passive power amplification. What the page lacks is soul manipulation.
This is wrong in so many ways. If Wobbuffet cannot take attacks to the soul, it would mean that he cannot reflect them either.
His attack reflection doesn't reflect the damage done to him, that's game mechanics. It reflects the enemies attack with twice as much power, which Jerry can tank for days.
No. Encore only forces you to attack until you run out of stamina. You might notice how pokemon don't pass out in such cases.
Yeah, his passive power amplification. What the page lacks is soul manipulation.
This is wrong in so many ways. If Wobbuffet cannot take attacks to the soul, it would mean that he cannot reflect them either.
His attack reflection doesn't reflect the damage done to him, that's game mechanics. It reflects the enemies attack with twice as much power, which Jerry can tank for days.
No. Encore only forces you to attack until you run out of stamina. You might notice how pokemon don't pass out in such cases.
