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Sasuke vs Tsuna v2

Wrong picture of Sasuke.

That said, Tsuna has an advantage in H2H--but Sasuke has precog to read his movements and avoid them, and if he feels he's being pressed, he'll use genjutsu.. Is Tsuna's flame absorption passive? If not, then it's genjutsu, then Amaterasu.

Voting for Sasuke.
 
I forgot I could do that but since this new one is here, I don't want to edit the old one and have this floating around.
 
Tsuna still gets my vote lol, Tsuna is resistant to mind manipulation by using his pre cog to see through it. Tsuna is also more versatile and he can absorb amatarsu and Sasuke's other attacks also Tsuna has the flight advantage and Tsuna can use his attacks in the air as well. His hax can pretty much one shot Sasuke as well
 
Okay...this has been irking me with all this Tsuna crap and absorbing/precog etc. Give me a moment.
 
Main Points

Okay, Tsuna has flames, Flight, Absorption, Petrification, LIMITED Precog.

Precog
Both characters have precognition. Matter of fact Sasuke's is more effective. I think people have forgotten the precog aspect of the Sharingan. Not to mention, Hyper Intuition is NOT 100% and is extremely limited. It helps ever so slightly. It is not as big of a factor as people seem to believe.

Flight
Sasuke gets Winged Susanoo when? Well regardless, Amaterasu can easily handle a flying opponent. This is a technique that strikes at the focal point. Tsuna cannot dodge forever, not to mention Sasuke is no fool and with Sharingan, will see Tsuna's attacks as well. Flight is nice, but not that grand of an advantage.

Absorption
So let me get some numbers on the AP here.

Sasuke by this point is a great deal above his CS state (Especially with Susanoo) from his fight with Itachi.

Sasuke scales to 847 Megatons (Going by the "+" on the file)

Tsuna scales to 176 Megatons. Slightly above baseline.

Sasuke is slightly more than at least 4.5x stronger than Tsuna's AP at this point.

Tsuna Absorbing or Nullifying these attacks aren't as likely. In a discussion about Power Null, I was told by other admins that Nullifying Powers is not NLF, but when we get to nullifying attacks, then we get a problem .

Petrification
Tsuna's best choice (get it) is petrification. Even then, he has to choose to do this without getting burned by Amaterasu or cut in half.

Conclusion
Other than that, the sheer AP gap kills Tsuna here. Him having flight is not that big of an advantage. Sasuke has arguably much better precog and an at least 4.5x AP advantage with the only thing he has to worry about being Petrification. Not to mention substitution jutsu as well.

All in all Sasuke has my vote here.

Source for calcs;

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dariel_Senju/Sasuke_The_Last_destroys_a_meteorite_calc

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...born_Scaling#Tsuna.27s_X-Burner_at_Choice_arc
 
Tsuna's pre cog holds an advantage over Sasuke's pre cog. He has the ability to not only do what Sasuke does but he can see through illusions. He also can absorb amatarsu.

Also Tsuna's power null works on stronger foes. It was able to work against Byakuran even tho he was stronger at that point

Tsuna also can freeze Sasuke and use Sasuke's flames as power himself
 
"Tsuna's pre cog holds an advantage over Sasuke's pre cog. He has the ability to not only do what Sasuke does but he can see through illusions. He also can absorb amatarsu. "

Seeing through Illusions doesn't make the precog stronger. Directly from Teon's mouth on the Inuyasha vs Tsuna thread. "Yeah, Tsuna' precog isn't really the best at all, on top of being fairly inconsistent. It's an inconsistent danger sense that allows him to make deductions faster."

Not to mention illusions were not even part of my argument at all.

"Also Tsuna's power null works on stronger foes. It was able to work against Byakuran even tho he was stronger at that point"

Yeah, but how much stronger? Just because it can work on some stronger foes =/= it can work on all.

"Tsuna also can freeze Sasuke and use Sasuke's flames as power himself"

I have already addressed this in my initial post Astral.
 
I honestly agree with Dragon here. Tsuna's precog is pretty crap, and I silently curse Amano every time I think about it (then I take it back cause I love KHR). Sure, choice arc Tsuna is the only version of him that uses petrification, but he's not going to use it on an actual person.

Being resistant to illusions will get him somewhere with genjutsu I suppose. But I mean, a gap of 4.5x is one shot territory. Even if he did absorb one of Sasuke's attacks, he's not going to get so strong that he's suddenly gonna be stomping Sasuke. And freezing him requires him to be up close for a second, and given Sasuke's range and Susano, that practically eliminates this as a possibility.

So yeah, Sasuke takes it here pretty handily.
 
@Dragon


Pretty sure we aren't even using Dariel's calc. I actually think Kep did that one again.
 
Are we sure. All the Naruto characters seemed to be scaled to Mountain level+ overall.
 
Sasuke: 9 (Korudo, Velox, Dragon, Tony, Itachi, Teon, Xanxus, Gargoyle, Fate)


Tsuna: 1 (Astral)
 
Sasuke should win for Dragon's reasons.

Also doesn't Tsuna's flame absorption only work against dying will flames?
 
Dying Will Flames = Works a lot like Energy Manip in the verse.

"Tsuna absorbs flames"

>>> That includes Lightning flames.

Lightning flames that don't work at all like Fire Manip. Still get absorbed because they are "Dying Will Flames", like what he did against Ghost.

I'm fairly certain this proves that Dying Will Flames do not translate to "any kind of flames", honestly.
 
Tsuna's absorption ability is likely limited to a 4x gap and above, so Sasuke will have a higher ground with AP, although I'm not sure about Amaterasu.

In precog, Sasuke's precog is consistent to all of the attacks on his peripheral vision, so unlike Tsuna inconsistent precog, as long as Sasuke as an eye on him, he will predict Tsuna's attacks.

@Dragon

For the power null, he used his cloak against one of Byakuran attacks before he got the power-up, and that was a byakuran that was overpowering him at 10%. But Natsu was exhausted after stopping the attack, so Tsuna might not be able to use him all the Time.

You addressed the absorption only, but you didn't mention Tsuna's first edition, although it's the same, for Tsuna to use his first edition he needs to get in a close combat in which Sasuke has far greater ap and precog.

@Astral

Hyper intuition has never shown the ability to resist mind control IIRC.


Sasuke for having a greater AP and a more effective precog
 
Dying will flames aren't flames at all. I just thought they would be equated to Chakra, which is what I thought the ninjitsu was composed of.

If this is incorrect, however, then that only gives Sasuke another advantage.
 
SBA means that certain energies are equalized so chakra and wave energy where both of them are pretty much life energy would be treated the same.
 
It is in character for Sasuke to use genjutsu of MS and throw Amaterasu casually.

Tsuna loses if he has no counter to them.
 
Sasuke: 11 (Korudo, Velox, Dragon, Tony, Itachi, Teon, Xanxus, Gargoyle, Fate, Ricsi, XDrag)


Tsuna: 1 (Astral)
 
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