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Big Band vs Sans

GreyFang82

GreyFang82

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Tuba Tuba Ma vs Trom-Bone Guy

Speed Equalized

Fight takes place in judgement hall, I guess

Who wins and why?

Big Band: 7 (WeeklyBattles, Wokisan, Ricsi-viragosi, ApiesDeathbyLazors, Overlord775, TheRustyOne, and TheArsenal1212)

Sans: 0

Inconclusive: 0

Big band
Sans-1-
 
Does he start with time-stop?

If yes, he wins.

If no, it depends how much he can dodge.
 
Honestly, what Big Band starts with is never clear considering it is a fighting game he comes from. I supose it all depends on how dangerous he deems Sans. Big Band isn't the best at dodging but rather he blocks and parry's attacks with his backstep. Which summons a very durable Cymbal that when he times the block correctly it negates the attack's momentum and leaves him an opening to counterattack.
 
Big Band has more than his fair share of experience fighting blue themed skeletons who primarily fight using a danmaku amount of bones as attacks to know how to deal with a lot of what Sans can dish out. Sans' attacks arent intangible so a lot of when he throws at Ben can be blocked by his shield, and given his past Ben could very easily mistake Sans for a minion of the skullgirl and go completely serious from the start to the point of likely leading with timestop.

Basically the only thing Sans has over Ben is gravity manip, everything else in his arsenal Ben has dealt with.
 
San's durability negation should get around a shield. No other opinions so far.
 
Sans' durability negation works by attacking the soul but the attack itself isn't intangible and needs to actually hit the opponent to work
 
Judging by how he's repeatedly killed flowey, who's soulless and has killed everyone else before, it would have to have some form of mundane durability negation beyond soulhax. It's represented in game by the no I-frames thing.
 
Granted, but we cannot say that he defeated him by negating his Durability because we don't know Flowey's durability, how the fight went, etc. Therefore we cannot postulate that Sans's attacks go through objects (Even if they are souless), the safest best is that he damages Ben's cymbal.
 
Flowey killed almost the entire cast before getting a bad time. This includes small town level to possibly far higher dudes. Sans is building level. If his attacks weren't nulling Flowey's dura then how would he be able to do anything? Let alone give Flowey "More than his fair share of resets?"
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Big Band has more than his fair share of experience fighting blue themed skeletons who primarily fight using a danmaku amount of bones as attacks to know how to deal with a lot of what Sans can dish out.
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That feels.... overly specific.
 
Fair enough, but I don't think we can still say "San's attacks go through solid objects" without decent proof
 
Edwardtruong2006 said:
WeeklyBattles said:
Big Band has more than his fair share of experience fighting blue themed skeletons who primarily fight using a danmaku amount of bones as attacks to know how to deal with a lot of what Sans can dish out.
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That feels.... overly specific.
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He means the Skullheart, it's a blue skeleton skull that does a crap load of danmaku, if the Marie fight is any indication,
 
They should still break his shield. That's what I was getting at.
 
GreyFang82 said:
Fair enough, but I don't think we can still say "San's attacks go through solid objects" without decent proof
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I wasn't talking about that, I was addressing the "Sans never damaged Flowey with his SM." I'm like, "how else then?"
 
Sorry lightbuster30, I must of misunderstood what you were saying.

Also Wokistan if Sans did break Big Band's cymbal, then he would take him very seriously and try to take him out as fast as possible. Considering not even the skullgirl could break his cymbal in their fight.
 
8-C durability negating attacks, indicated by how he killed Flowey several times who would have to be tier 7ish.
 
If his attacks could harm a tier 7 without the soul part, it shouldn't have an issue with an 8-A shield.
 
Hence the 'durability negation', problem is theres a difference between hitting a person with an attack that ignores durability and hitting a shield with an attack that ignores durability.
 
I don't see why. If the dura neg isn't soul based then the shield should recieve some damage. Sans could also just teleport attacks behind Band while he's distracted with blocking.
 
Because Sans' attacks only have Building level AP, having a durability negating attack wont help him against something that isnt his actual opponent, such as a shield. It helps against the opponent's physical durability but not against something physically blocking the attack.

Sans has never teleported his actual attacks before so no he couldnt.
 
Plus like i said before, Ben is more than experience enough against people who use danmaku bones as attacks to know to dodge them and is agile enough to do so even with his size
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Plus like i said before, Ben is more than experience enough against people who use danmaku bones as attacks to know to dodge them and is agile enough to do so even with his size
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Why wouldn't his attacks be able to damage a sheilld exactly? Given that he's not using the soul portion of it, there's no reason he shouldn't be able to break the shield. That's like saying Gorechild can only cut through flesh and not shields, armor, tanks, and all the other stuff it does. Shields can still be destroyed, and by blocking the attack they are taking the durability negating hit the body otherwise would have.
 
Because the shield isnt alive, so Sans' dura negation wouldnt work on it. Yes shields can be destroyed but you need the AP to do so. Sans does not have the AP to do so. Youre not going to break an object that has a set durability by using an attack that bypasses durability, thats the whole point of durability negation, it cuts durability out of the equation. Sans would need 8-A AP to break Ben's shield.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
Because the shield isnt alive, so Sans' dura negation wouldnt work on it. Yes shields can be destroyed but you need the AP to do so. Sans does not have the AP to do so. Youre not going to break an object that has a set durability by using an attack that bypasses durability, thats the whole point of durability negation, it cuts durability out of the equation. Sans would need 8-A AP to break Ben's shield.
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Wouldn't by that logic sans attack not work on flowey? Flowey by his standards isn't any more alive than a random object. Or wouldn't his attack be blocked by frisks armor before it gets to the soul?
 
Yeah weekly that doesn't make much sense. If I have a device that negates durability by breaking down molecrmol bonds, let's say, there's no reason for it to work any worse on a wall than on a person. Damaging something with a set durability by bypassing it is literally the point of dursbikdur negation, big band has durability. Nothing separates a shield from armor, and yet you insist it works on one and not the other.
 
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