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Right. Time to take a deep breath and hope this goes well.
Before we proceed
I am tired of the controversies that revisions for this verse always cause. We are discussing the Tier 7 scaling here only. Do Not discuss anything else. No discussions about speed, Blood Ward arc Tier 6 revisions, Seireitei size, etc. Just the Tier 7 and other Arrancar arc revisions, nothing else.
And now we proceed
Some power-scaling issues were brought to light as far as the mid-tier Captain level Shinigami and Espada are concerned. They pertain mostly to the Arrancar arc and were discussed in depth in the thread linked at the end of the next paragraph. There is also one issue from the Soul Society arc which was not discussed in depth.
The issue was of characters in their 7-B keys consistently contending with or taking attacks from characters who scale to a 7-A feat: Shikai Ichigo taking the full brunt of a bloodlusted Byakuya's Bankai; Grimmjow in base contending with Bankai Ichigo (albeit his reiatsu was fluctuating wildly at the time); Grimmjow in base surviving with only a burnt arm after cancelling out a point blank Cero from Ulquiorra in base, who was himself capable of contending with Bankai plus Hollow Mask Ichigo in their final showdown; Harribel in base pressuring Hitsugaya in Bankai and dismissing his power as unimpressive; the whole issue with the Visored that was discussed in this thread.
Proposed changes
What was proposed was a flat 7-A upgrade for various characters. This applies mostly to mid-tier Captain level Shinigami and Arrancar on the level of at least Grimmjow. This also applies to the Visored, among whom even the former Lieutenants have proven to be currently strong Captain level thanks to 100+ years of intense training.
These upgrades are not simply via power-scaling, mind you. I recently made two calcs.
Shikai Hitsugaya's reiatsu is this powerful
Shikai Ichigo is this powerful
So now we have three 7-A feats for mid-tier Captain level Shinigami. Given this and the fact that the stronger Espada are potential Large City busters (which is 7-A) according to Aizen himself, this is actually oddly consistent.
The proposed changes are simple: Literally every character who previously scaled to Hitsugaya's 11 Megaton thing would now scale to Ichigo and Hitsugaya's 7-A calcs. That's 234 to 513 Megatons.
Note: It must be noted that the Shikai Hyorinmaru's reiatsu is what drives Hitsugaya's ice manipulation and his weather manipulation. Izuru Kira even notes this (refer chapter 132). As has been explained by both Zaraki and Aizen, battles between Shinigami are battles of reiatsu. Whatever reiatsu output goes into the little captain's weather and ice shit, it also would translate to AP and durability. As has been demonstrated by Ichigo and Zaraki, a Shinigami can "sharpen" their reiatsu in their physical strikes. And as has been demonstrated by Zaraki and Aizen and also the Arrancar, reiatsu can be focused in one's skin so as to boost durability. Simply put: This feat gives us the energy output of Hitsugaya's reiatsu, which means his overall physical stats also scale to the result.
^ I have provided this explanation numerous times before. I am providing it again in case anyone asks, and also because of the ongoing discussions about storm feats relating to physical stats.
Before we proceed
I am tired of the controversies that revisions for this verse always cause. We are discussing the Tier 7 scaling here only. Do Not discuss anything else. No discussions about speed, Blood Ward arc Tier 6 revisions, Seireitei size, etc. Just the Tier 7 and other Arrancar arc revisions, nothing else.
And now we proceed
Some power-scaling issues were brought to light as far as the mid-tier Captain level Shinigami and Espada are concerned. They pertain mostly to the Arrancar arc and were discussed in depth in the thread linked at the end of the next paragraph. There is also one issue from the Soul Society arc which was not discussed in depth.
The issue was of characters in their 7-B keys consistently contending with or taking attacks from characters who scale to a 7-A feat: Shikai Ichigo taking the full brunt of a bloodlusted Byakuya's Bankai; Grimmjow in base contending with Bankai Ichigo (albeit his reiatsu was fluctuating wildly at the time); Grimmjow in base surviving with only a burnt arm after cancelling out a point blank Cero from Ulquiorra in base, who was himself capable of contending with Bankai plus Hollow Mask Ichigo in their final showdown; Harribel in base pressuring Hitsugaya in Bankai and dismissing his power as unimpressive; the whole issue with the Visored that was discussed in this thread.
Proposed changes
What was proposed was a flat 7-A upgrade for various characters. This applies mostly to mid-tier Captain level Shinigami and Arrancar on the level of at least Grimmjow. This also applies to the Visored, among whom even the former Lieutenants have proven to be currently strong Captain level thanks to 100+ years of intense training.
These upgrades are not simply via power-scaling, mind you. I recently made two calcs.
Shikai Hitsugaya's reiatsu is this powerful
Shikai Ichigo is this powerful
So now we have three 7-A feats for mid-tier Captain level Shinigami. Given this and the fact that the stronger Espada are potential Large City busters (which is 7-A) according to Aizen himself, this is actually oddly consistent.
The proposed changes are simple: Literally every character who previously scaled to Hitsugaya's 11 Megaton thing would now scale to Ichigo and Hitsugaya's 7-A calcs. That's 234 to 513 Megatons.
Note: It must be noted that the Shikai Hyorinmaru's reiatsu is what drives Hitsugaya's ice manipulation and his weather manipulation. Izuru Kira even notes this (refer chapter 132). As has been explained by both Zaraki and Aizen, battles between Shinigami are battles of reiatsu. Whatever reiatsu output goes into the little captain's weather and ice shit, it also would translate to AP and durability. As has been demonstrated by Ichigo and Zaraki, a Shinigami can "sharpen" their reiatsu in their physical strikes. And as has been demonstrated by Zaraki and Aizen and also the Arrancar, reiatsu can be focused in one's skin so as to boost durability. Simply put: This feat gives us the energy output of Hitsugaya's reiatsu, which means his overall physical stats also scale to the result.
^ I have provided this explanation numerous times before. I am providing it again in case anyone asks, and also because of the ongoing discussions about storm feats relating to physical stats.
